aubergine
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Post by aubergine on Dec 22, 2021 14:33:39 GMT
The watch in Hawkeye is an indication that Barton’s wife is a retired SHIELD agent. There’s clues for (comic) book wankers that she’s a character called Mockingbird, who I otherwise known nothing about.
For casual audiences, it’s just to indicate that there’s more to Mrs Hawkeye. |
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Post by 😎 on Dec 22, 2021 16:48:04 GMT
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Post by oldskooldeano on Dec 22, 2021 17:22:18 GMT
Loved Hawkeye. Just a lot of fun really. It shows that the MCU can go on with a new generation. I’ve become a big Hailee Steinfield fan. Her and Jeremy Renner really worked well together.
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Post by askew on Dec 22, 2021 17:36:30 GMT
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Post by Derblington on Dec 22, 2021 17:37:43 GMT
Steinfield has been good in everything I’ve seen her in, even when the films haven’t been amazing. She’s a good voice actress too (Gwen Stacey in Spiderverse and Vi in Arcane). I need to get around to watching Dickinson on Apple.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2021 17:45:02 GMT
Yeah. No spoilers for Spider-Man included.
Would help if you watched the Disney Plus shows though. Wandavision and What If in particular. |
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Post by 😎 on Dec 22, 2021 18:13:50 GMT
DS2 stuff: I know the Lego set leak says that one eyed beast is Gargantos but that’s totally Shuma Gorath, right? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2021 18:15:39 GMT
Totally. His MvC theme popped in my head when I
first watched the trailer.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 22, 2021 18:28:54 GMT
DS2 stuff: I know the Lego set leak says that one eyed beast is Gargantos but that’s totally Shuma Gorath, right? Totally, I've played enough Marvel Vs Capcom 2 to know the design off by heart. |
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Post by KinkyMong on Dec 22, 2021 20:34:55 GMT
5) The musical (including the post-credits bit) is really weird, because Ant-Man wasn't at the Battle of New York, and indeed, the Battle of New York shouldn't even have taken place in the same way in the post-Endgame, post-Loki, post-blip universe.
He was there, technically, because of the time-heist in Endgame. I take that as someone catching a glimpse of him in the aftermath and his role being exaggerated by whoever made the musical.
Also, I believe Ant-Man was in the first incarnation of the Avengers in the comics, so it's probably a reference to that too. |
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Post by 😎 on Dec 22, 2021 21:21:44 GMT
I presumed it was there for another take of “that’s not what happened, they’re getting this all wrong” reactions from Clint but got cut from the episode.
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Post by brokenkey on Dec 22, 2021 22:26:36 GMT
I presumed it was there for another take of “that’s not what happened, they’re getting this all wrong” reactions from Clint but got cut from the episode. Clint says that antman wasn't there in the first episode. |
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Post by 😎 on Dec 22, 2021 22:27:20 GMT
Oh, well there we go.
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Post by aubergine on Dec 23, 2021 0:51:51 GMT
I’m pretty sure it’s just meant to be pure comedy that they have Asian Ant-Man slotted in there.
Given the musical is specifically about Captain America and not The Avengers, that whole NYC Battle is probably not the beginning or end of it, just the most obvious excerpt for the writers to make fun of.
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Post by 😎 on Dec 23, 2021 1:21:13 GMT
Of course due to the internet being what it is you can guarantee there’ll be a hashtag campaign for Marvel to actually do an Avengers musical.
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Post by Tuffty on Dec 23, 2021 10:24:53 GMT
One thing I was not prepared to say is that overall I think Hawkeye is probably the best Marvel show Disney Plus has done so far. I think it just got it all right with intrigue, emotional beats, action while still keeping it light hearted. Great introduction for Kate Bishop. I didn't like the finale for Wandavision and Falcon and Winter Soldier nearly as much as this. And I don't even typically like Hawkeye. Do want to see more of Kate though, definitely someone that could easily carry the mantle going forward.
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Post by Reviewer on Dec 23, 2021 10:33:44 GMT
My only real criticism is some of the fight scenes were terrible - like on the ice rink and they got people with their bows it was too obvious that there was no contact.
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Post by Tuffty on Dec 23, 2021 10:36:42 GMT
They just hit them with invisible off screen arrows prob.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 27, 2021 8:28:10 GMT
Just finished Hawkeye. The final episode was good fun, but it was still kinda disappointing. It felt like there was a missing penultimate episode, and it seemed in a big rush to wrap up all its plots without really earning some of them. I think it suffered a bit from the ever-present MCU risk of focusing too much on introducing crossovers and other characters at the expense of concentrating on the current film/show. The Kingpin actor is great, but did something happen at the end of Daredevil to power him up? I get that the comics character is supposed to be massively tough and strong, but in DD he was still human, and in this he was basically Hulk. Plus, introducing him with only one episode to go seemed like a mistake. They should have given him at least a couple of episodes to be menacing and smart. Especially for those who didn't watch DD. They left themselves very little time to wrap up (a) the Yelena plot, (b) the Mother plot, (c) the Kingpin plot, (d) the Echo & Kazi plot and then they basically had to wrap them all up at once Phantom Menace style. Which meant they all basically wrapped up neatly and exactly as expected. I mean, the Echo & Kazi one basically wrapped up entirely separately from Hawkeye(s) and didn't really amount to anything. The action was very cool at some points, though I feel like the ice-rink fight wasn't as good as some of the fights from previous episodes. Could have done with a bit more actual sharpshooting and a bit less close combat and shooting people 3 feet away. Plus the infinitely respawning Tracksuits(tm) were a bit ridiculous. The side plot with the Larpers didn't really amount to much, especially as they had no real impact at the end. The fact that at the end of all that, the 'will they get back for xmas?' question basically amounted to 'yes, they just drive up no problem' was a bit of a 'huh' moment. On the plus side, I loved that Jack turned out to just be a weird random guy who's really good as sword fighting, and seemed quite happy even though his fiance turned him in to the police a little earlier. Jack++. I'm not sure the Yelena side plot was needed, but I loved her scenes with Kate. Imho they should have cut either her plot or the Echo plot and introduced Kingpin earlier though. The entire Watch plot amounted to very little, given it was just a Shield watch. I assume it had some great meaning to Comics fans, but it was a bit of an anticlimax to me. Half way through the season I thought I'd figured out the twist. The 'best shot Clint never took' wasn't going to be Natasha, it was going to be another Black Widow which would be Laura, and the watch would expose her. And at the end when Yelena was about to kill Clint, Laura would show up and kick her ass. I still think my idea was better.  Hailee Steinfeld was absolutely awesome in this, and Jeremy Renner was great too. I love their chemistry and I'd be quite happy to watch them just hang out and banter for 6 episodes. Just rewatched Bumblebee and she's great in that too. Also just watched Spider-verse and I think she was Gwen in that too. |
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Post by neems on Dec 27, 2021 10:35:50 GMT
I know it's not fashionable but I always quite liked MCU Hawkeye, who quite clearly is superhuman. He's so far beyond 'good at archery' that it makes no sense.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 31, 2021 2:30:17 GMT
So, which is better, Shang Chi or No Way Home?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2021 3:28:06 GMT
No Way Home, hands down
actually, let me qualify that.
If you enjoy Marvel films in general, and in particular the Spider-Man character, since it is a Spidey film, without question No Way Home.
If the reason you enjoyed Shang Chi was because you aren't a Marvel fan and it felt different to you, Shang Chi might still be the one for you.
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Post by aubergine on Dec 31, 2021 8:09:26 GMT
Shang Chi is fun, a good MCU film. No Way Home is almost an Important Movie, if we can have those in comic book movies. If it weren’t for the pandemic it would probably be nudging Endgame / Avatar for most money made ever.
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Post by simple on Dec 31, 2021 8:56:57 GMT
Eternals coming to D+ in a couple of weeks.
I’ve not seen it but it feels the least MCU-y they’ve put out for awhile
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Post by aubergine on Dec 31, 2021 12:43:40 GMT
It’s notable as the first boring MCU movie.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 31, 2021 12:59:46 GMT
It’s notable as the first boring MCU movie. Fuck yes, and this is coming from me who very much loves his comics and Marvel. |
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Post by Saul1138 on Dec 31, 2021 15:05:49 GMT
I enjoyed Eternals, not a top tier MCU film, but even their duds still have an entertaining factor. Not Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2 & 3, Thor 2, but other than those, I think they are all rewatchable.
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Post by lexw on Dec 31, 2021 15:33:52 GMT
I think they are all rewatchable. Oddly, despite enjoying a lot of them the first time around, I haven't really found that to be the case. I think most of them actually pretty tedious pretty quick on a rewatch for me, at least. Most that I've attempted I've got bored and stopped watching partway through. I'd also say Civil War was perhaps even worse than Thor 2 or either Iron Man sequel. Cap is great but everything else about the movie kind of stinks (as did the comics of that, note). |
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Post by lexw on Dec 31, 2021 15:36:35 GMT
If it weren’t for the pandemic it would probably be nudging Endgame / Avatar for most money made ever. It sounds pretty fantastic (I've been fully spoilered on it) and like the first of the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies that fully embraces what makes Spider-Man an actual hero, and indeed, kicks it up a notch in a way I can't think of any other superhero movie doing, but I suspect it's actually benefited from the pandemic, box-office-wise, because of the peculiar timing of it (as people were beginning to relax, and just before omicron really scared people back into their houses). So I'm not sure it would be, but I guess we'll never know. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 31, 2021 15:40:16 GMT
I think they are all rewatchable. Oddly, despite enjoying a lot of them the first time around, I haven't really found that to be the case. I think most of them actually pretty tedious pretty quick on a rewatch for me, at least. Most that I've attempted I've got bored and stopped watching partway through. I'd also say Civil War was perhaps even worse than Thor 2 or either Iron Man sequel. Cap is great but everything else about the movie kind of stinks (as did the comics of that, note). Saying that Civil War is worse than Thor 2 or Iron Man 2 makes me think that you're not just wrong but positively insane. |
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Rice instead of bread though? Yeah, keep it thanks.