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Post by loto on Nov 10, 2023 12:48:54 GMT
Still going pretty well on the whole Finished the maze of Calrath for now, including the boss. He wasn’t too bad once I knew where to stand to avoid the nuke Into a mining area now and I’d love some large shards to upgrade my gear - fingers crossed Still really enjoying this because of / despite some sweaty palm dashes back to the bonfire with 9k souls and a sliver of health
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Post by neems on Nov 11, 2023 9:42:18 GMT
Still going pretty well on the whole Finished the maze of Calrath for now, including the boss. He wasn’t too bad once I knew where to stand to avoid the nuke Into a mining area now and I’d love some large shards to upgrade my gear - fingers crossed Still really enjoying this because of / despite some sweaty palm dashes back to the bonfire with 9k souls and a sliver of health Did you ever make it to the top of the area behind the locked door in Pilgrim's Perch? In my game this unlocked large shards for sale at the weird little travelling merchant, who was camped next to the Vestige. Only a finite number though.
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Post by loto on Nov 11, 2023 16:53:35 GMT
neems - I didn’t buy the key as it’s 18k since the last patch. The merchant did sell five large shards and I farmed a few from the Ruiner in Calrath. I’m at +7 on Pietas and +8 on Paladin Isaac’s. I’ve just found my first chunk in the worst area so far. Invisible archers with an Umbral parasite can get tae fuck. Anyway, making really good progress and still loving it. It’s always a good sign when I think about what I’ll be doing when I next get some game time.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 12, 2023 8:59:51 GMT
Turns out legging it through a new area in the hope of findings a vestige is /not/ the best idea. My 10,000-odd vigor is now with Crimson Rector Percival....meaning I have to do a gauntlet to him and then beat him to get them back.
Is he do-able or should I write my souls off?
I've had two attempts and he seems like he might be manageable /except/ he constantly spams a healing spell - really annoying (I've eliminated the umbral parasites in the arena, I assumed they were healing him, but it's a spell).
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Post by neems on Nov 12, 2023 9:03:46 GMT
Is that the guy in the gorge area if you turn up hill? He's definitely doable, not really essential though. You coul always use a moth to escape once you pick up your souls.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 12, 2023 9:06:40 GMT
Yes, that's him. Moth! Great idea, cheers, I'd completely forgotten about that. I'll head in and do precisely that, then come back to him a bit later.
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Post by loto on Nov 12, 2023 11:47:22 GMT
He is doable- when you first go in, he’s buffed, aggressive and hits hard with clones that do the same. Have your lamp up, create distance and R1/Rb to hoover up the err cum sacs. That will debuff him and you can go to town for a bit until he rebuffs. Or grab your souls and moth out of there. He can be a handful
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 12, 2023 12:01:43 GMT
Cheers loto. I ran in and mothed out of there, will return to him. I then pushed on into the gorge area and have just done the Ruiner, who was possibly the easiest boss of all so far - at least once I realised I should swap out Inferno for Radiance.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 12, 2023 13:47:59 GMT
I don't know exactly which area it was as I'm basically just watching over DadFE's shoulder occasionally, but holy shit the performance becomes downright unacceptable sometimes (on Performance mode at that, I shudder to think how choppy things would get on Quality... Or rather I don't have to, DadFE put it on Quality for a moment and it was having major trouble in the hub!) It's been a while since I've seen a game chug this badly... And this is coming from someone that's played the Hyrule Warriors games on every console they were on
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Post by loto on Nov 12, 2023 15:09:46 GMT
Yeah, they need to improve the performance and frame rate. I don’t know anything about the Devs, but they’ve issued a few patches now that seem to nerf good weapons and spells and not concentrate on the basic performance. It’s bad sometimes and it’s a shame as it’s a cracking little game. The enemy lock on is poor too and can easily get you killed, deciding to swap from a strong enemy to a bit of environment mid battle. I think they wanted to get this out for sale before Spidey2 and COD came along, when it would have benefited from longer in the oven. I still love it, but it’s not the finished article yet
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 12, 2023 15:42:13 GMT
Yeah, I agree with all the above. The series X version chugs in some areas. I've had to reboot to sort it on more than one occasion. Coming back to the game after a two week break it's seriously annoying they haven't prioritised fixing this.
Other annoyances include as you say loto the lock on - the number of times that has actually screwed me over in frenetic moments. This compounds the cheap bullshit of being ambushed and overwhelmed by mobs in some areas.
And yet...God, it could be so good. I'm still enjoying it immensely. It's just hard to recommend without significant caveats.
I've been swapping between Lords of the Fallen and Lies of P since I got back home and the experience is night and day in terms of sheer playability: Lies of P is such an elegantly designed, smooth, fluid game, a real pleasure, even when I'm stuck and / or raging about the next boss.
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Post by loto on Nov 13, 2023 10:19:36 GMT
Progressed some NPC quests and got the Perch key. Some bloody hard enemies on t’other side with those bastard archers making a comeback. Anyway, fell into a pit and got Devotion Might, which is a big hammer scaling with strength and radiance. I’ve spent the last 3 hours twatting bucket heads and ruiners. Sweet, sweet revenge. Even unupgraded, this thing stonks.
I’ve got three areas to choose from now. The F’in Perch, the Fridge or the Fire.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 13, 2023 11:57:49 GMT
Progressed some NPC quests and got the Perch key. Some bloody hard enemies on t’other side with those bastard archers making a comeback. Anyway, fell into a pit and got Devotion Might, which is a big hammer scaling with strength and radiance. JonFE something to look out for, perhaps. If we can figure out how to get there, at least...
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Post by loto on Nov 13, 2023 12:20:39 GMT
Its the Pilgrim's Perch Key and you have two options
1) Buy it for 18k from Stromund at the Hub - not recommended, its a mid-game or later game area and enemies are tough
2) Progress through the game and you will get it for free at around the right point...
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Post by JonFE on Nov 13, 2023 12:31:47 GMT
The area JuniorFE was talking about is Fen (still early days for me) where all those particle effects (poison, fire, fog) along with the sheer number of enemies that attack you out of nowhere or spin right at you from a distance left the game struggling with single digits FPS (not even Blighttown chugged that hard for me on the x360)... ...which is a shame because the game is actually very good on paper, the dual world (which surely put extra workload on the consoles) is a very interesting setting (even if it makes my "explore-everything" tactic not exactly viable), the depressing atmosphere is spot on, enemy design is horrendously lovely, it's clearly a labour of love etc. And I do agree with both loto and FlexibleFeline in that small annoyances [like a lock-on that's not always working as intended (on many occasions it locks on an enemy that's far-far away and ignores my surrounding enemies), the mob pile-ons, having to scoop for vigor] and the performance issues make it look like an very inferior game to Lies of P (which is really, really great - as FF is saying the contrast is blinding) while they could be equally great
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 13, 2023 13:20:15 GMT
Yes, and I do think it's fair to compare them as they came out at more or less the same time and they are both of the genre. Both games follow the template but also innovate in impressive ways - LOTF will the dual world mechanic (amazing really that this, to the best of my knowledge, hasn't been done since Soul Reaver? My wife looked up from her DS yesterday and said "is this a new version of Soul Reaver"? ), Lies of P perhaps less dramatically but still impactfully with the blade and hilt system, organ, legion arm and a tonne of quality-of-life tweaks. The vibe and atmosphere of each is very different: you may prefer the grimdark raaawwwkkk fantasy of LOTF or you may prefer the weird steampunk pinnochioborne of Lies of P. I think both are pretty damn great in terms of design and atmosphere. Perhaps my main criticism of Lies of P is the uneven boss difficulty - that's hardly new to the genre and is also true of LOTF. Also, the fact you can't summon other players in Lies of P. MP would be a lovely addition to the sequel. Anyway, LOTF is a piece of shit technically, while Lies of P gleams, a perfect compact jewel box of surprises. And that's a shame, a real shame. It doesn't matter how impressive the art design is, or the dual world concept. You throw all that out when it becomes a damn slideshow. It is as you say JonFE mostly an issue in areas heavy on particle effects - the Fen was the first problem area, and Calrath can get pretty dire. It seems quite random otherwise - things will be fine, and then the frame rate will just plummet (this has also happened once or twice back in the hub). Please please fix it! I can see myself playing through LOTF a couple of times, but not if they don't sort it.
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Post by loto on Nov 14, 2023 16:22:23 GMT
Spent a good few hours on this now and got my character up towards optimal with some decent upgrades and spells. There’s some cracking level design with shortcuts back to previous areas and the Umbral stuff always racks up the tension with its timer and unique environments
I’ve done the Fief, Calrath and most of the Path of Devotion, eager to see where I end up next
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Post by wunty on Nov 14, 2023 16:26:37 GMT
THe level design is phenomenal. What they tried to do was make it so interconnected that you woul dget around with no vestiges in NG+. Too much of a backlash meant they put all the vestiges back in, but incrementally remove some with each NG cycle. The level design supports this. It'll basically become like Dark Souls 1 and you have to walk everywhere, which I'm not totally against tbh.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 14, 2023 22:24:56 GMT
THe level design is phenomenal. What they tried to do was make it so interconnected that you woul dget around with no vestiges in NG+. Too much of a backlash meant they put all the vestiges back in, but incrementally remove some with each NG cycle. The level design supports this. It'll basically become like Dark Souls 1 and you have to walk everywhere, which I'm not totally against tbh. I love that piece of NG design (bolded above), it's a creative way of scaling difficulty. I'm not sure I'd have been able to cope without any vestiges They are doing so many things right with this game. It's frustrating! Does that mean by the way that you can't, or couldn't under the original plan, plant vestige seeds in umbral flowerbeds in NG+?
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 14, 2023 23:00:37 GMT
THe level design is phenomenal. What they tried to do was make it so interconnected that you woul dget around with no vestiges in NG+. Too much of a backlash meant they put all the vestiges back in, but incrementally remove some with each NG cycle. The level design supports this. It'll basically become like Dark Souls 1 and you have to walk everywhere, which I'm not totally against tbh. I love that piece of NG design (bolded above), it's a creative way of scaling difficulty. I'm not sure I'd have been able to cope without any vestiges They are doing so many things right with this game. It's frustrating! Does that mean by the way that you can't, or couldn't under the original plan, plant vestige seeds in umbral flowerbeds in NG+? I think the idea was actually the opposite, that you would only have the one, movable vestige to use and every other one from base NG would be gone.
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Post by wunty on Nov 14, 2023 23:05:59 GMT
Yup. What junior says.
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Post by loto on Nov 17, 2023 9:35:51 GMT
I'm finishing off the Tower, so must be getting towards the end now. Still enjoying it and I've maxed out my weapons & catalyst. Fingers crossed it doesn't go laser spam for the remaining areas, its still good to explore.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 18, 2023 11:55:04 GMT
DadFE just found out you can't have both throwables/ranged weapons and a catalyst equipped at once. He was... less than pleased.
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Post by ned on Nov 18, 2023 12:14:43 GMT
Series X or PS5 for this? Under £40 is tempting
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Post by wunty on Nov 18, 2023 13:17:10 GMT
Think ps5 performance is better for now.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 18, 2023 13:26:26 GMT
Definitely PS5. Both have some issues but Series X is worst. There's a Digital Foundry video if you're curious
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Post by JonFE on Nov 18, 2023 18:51:18 GMT
DadFE just found out you can't have both throwables/ranged weapons and a catalyst equipped at once. He was... less than pleased. Well, that's an understatement, whoever is responsible for that idea is a moron!
Now, I need to fight LotF's version of the Tree Sentinel boss, the one that actually spawns through some tree branches, wish me luck!
EDIT: ...and the Hushed Saint is down, managed to beat him once I stopped horsing around (he he he).
That said, I'm not fond of bosses that teleport around the arena, constantly fucking with your camera, especially in a game where the lock-on system feels so flimsy. In any case, I'll be glad to see the back of Fen and its poisonous fuckers...
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Post by JonFE on Nov 18, 2023 20:54:17 GMT
loto Is Pieta's sword any good for a Radiance character? I fancy purchasing it but for 40 umbral it is rather costly.
EDIT: Also, an NPC who must be paid for her services? Really, that's a first, 3000 vigor for being useless
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Post by loto on Nov 19, 2023 9:20:14 GMT
JonFE - I think so, it does holy damage only, no physical but I’m using it in my LH and Devotions Might in RH and getting great damage. I never get sick of looking at it too, like a lightsaber. It also pairs well with the Orion Preacher hammer you can buy it from the man in the black hat at Skyrest, as Dev Might is from a later game area. I didn’t bother with her quest at all and the NPC summons are a distraction for the boss, they don’t last long and in her case she gets more & more expensive.
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Post by JonFE on Nov 19, 2023 9:37:53 GMT
loto Thanks! I got it last night and already upgraded it to +5, looks great as you say and hits rather hard, so it's a keeper!
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