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Post by wunty on Dec 6, 2023 20:06:52 GMT
It depends whether you like your souls open world or not. ER is a magnificent game, but I prefer a more traditional souls structure. Also, ER’s bosses are shite.
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Post by JuniorFE on Dec 6, 2023 20:23:51 GMT
Godrick, Renalla, Radahn, Morgott, Malenia, Godfrey, Rykard (he can butcher you, but you can basically stunlock him even without knowing the actual loops), the Godskins when alone, the majority of the dragons, most minor bosses' only problem was that they were overused, even Radagon would have been fine if he weren't anchored to the Elden Beast... There were some stinkers, certainly, mostly during the last quarter or so of the game (Fire Giant can be a pain, and Godskin Duo almost always is if you don't cheese them), and putting Ulcerated Tree Spirits in small rooms is a crime, but that's very far from a blanket "Elden Ring's bosses were shite" IMO... And tbh even the annoying ones (like Maliketh or Mohg) were still memorable  |
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Post by wunty on Dec 6, 2023 20:49:29 GMT
The ones you listed are all shite though. Elden Rings bosses are some of the most frustrating encounters I’ve ever experienced in a souls like.
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Post by JuniorFE on Dec 6, 2023 20:55:34 GMT
I respectfully disagree, but that's your opinion. Different strokes, etc
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Post by wunty on Dec 6, 2023 21:47:38 GMT
Well, yeah. I’m not speaking for anyone else. Infinite stamina multi phase boss fights aren’t really my thing.
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Post by wunty on Dec 6, 2023 21:52:44 GMT
This comes across a bit harsh but I have no patience on my phone to elaborate. ER is still amazing. Just not a fan of the bosses.
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Post by ned on Dec 6, 2023 22:18:20 GMT
ER has some of the best in the genre imo, assuming using no summons or ashes;
Godfrey/Horah
Radagon,
Godrick
Mohg,
Radhan (no summons),
the best gimmick fight (Rykard),
Margott,
Maliketh,
Placidusax,
Fortisaxx,
Loretta,
Malenia but can’t really include as would have to exclude waterfowl
Found all the above really satisfying to beat and always felt like it was making progress during attempts
But also some of the worst; Godskin Duo (separately they are great), Elden Beast, Fire Giant chiefly for me out of the main unique bosses.,
And a lot of bullshit repeat bosses and ganks.
Looking forward to trying Lords of the Fallen in the new year
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Dec 7, 2023 6:27:45 GMT
Count me in as a fan of Elden Ring's bosses...with the possible exception of Malenia, she can do one. Although, perversely, I did enjoy getting absolutely thrashed by her, it was quite beautiful to watch. Wait...no summons at all? I never summoned outside the arena as it was pointless but are you saying you did no Festival NPC summons inside? If so, you are mad, Mr ned  Half the fun of Radhan for me was managing the summons, and the other half was getting close enough to gas the brute with Rotten Breath. |
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Dec 7, 2023 6:38:00 GMT
As for LotF bosses, I made a snide comment at one point about the developer's buffing them in a patch, but I think they were right to do so as for the most part they are a little on the easy side. As a non-skill-quite-shite build that suits me, to be honest, but isn't what most players are looking for. They are fun, even if it does get a bit old that just about every single boss becomes an enemy soon after.
There are some exceptions though - Pieta is quite, er, bracing for a very early boss; the Hushed Saint required a level of patience I don't have (I summoned); and I'm currently somewhat stuck at Judge Cleric. I have a feeling I'll get her soon but her attacks are so fast and my useful ones so slow (summoning spells, basically) that my build isn't optimal, and nor are my creaky reflexes, though I have more or less mastered the stick-close-dodge-dodge.
One thing that is great about main boss rewards in LotF is that the remembrances they drop can be used multiple times in a single playthrough, should there be two boss items you fancy; so long as you have enough of the relevant currency, which is plentiful if you explore the game thoroughly.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Dec 7, 2023 8:17:34 GMT
I've gone for Elden Ring as it's the main one and was cheaper anyway. I don't really want to pay full price for a game that's so buggy (unless they fix it) Still, I haven't played a soulsy game since Elden Ring, so I'm excted to be starting Elden Ring
In the meantime, hopefully wunty's one man crusade to annoy the developers into fixing Lords of the Fallen will pay off
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Post by loto on Dec 7, 2023 10:07:14 GMT
I think you’ve made the right choice Aunty and by the time you’ve finished it, LotF should be dirt cheap and properly patched/fixed and worth picking up
I really like LotF, it just reminds you of its heritage with a rotten eggy fart in gameplay every now and then.
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Post by JuniorFE on Dec 7, 2023 21:15:55 GMT
Speaking of... wunty we've got a new video idea for you to send in to be fixed, the Lucent Beam spell is... well, no longer a beam for some reason It worked fine up until today's patch (ver 1.379, I don't think it's even on the wiki yet), and now the beam just doesn't show up. It's just the casting animation and the explosion at the impact site (thankfully the damage still gets dealt ) Idk if it happens to other beam spells (if there even are any) or other spells in general, but yeah. "Cut off one head, two more shall take its place, hail Hydra" |
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Post by wunty on Dec 7, 2023 21:18:16 GMT
I’ll talk to my guy
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Post by loto on Dec 8, 2023 11:46:49 GMT
I noticed the lucent beam too. It still seems to work, but the beam disappears whilst still causing damage. It’s also hit and miss whether it hits enemies or not.
Such a good spell when it works, but other times it’s like the enemy has an invisible shield and it just whiffs
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Post by JonFE on Dec 8, 2023 11:50:28 GMT
Yeah, sometimes it just melts the enemy's health bar and sometimes it seems to bounce off them... still love it though |
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Post by JuniorFE on Dec 12, 2023 13:41:53 GMT
Radiant ending final boss is anticlimactic as fuck in execution if not in lore... Maybe that's kind of the point though? |
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Post by JonFE on Dec 12, 2023 14:16:23 GMT
As you can guess by JuniorFE 's post, I finished LotF, Radiant ending. All and all, I agree with wunty it's a great game, but it's lasting impression turns sour by the performance issues, on the XseX at least. I've got the feeling that it doesn't play along with Quick Resume, because every time framerate hit rock bottom, if you closed the game completely (quitted from the dashboard) and started anew, performance improved. The only real issue I got with it is that, at times, there was no guidance to the next area - obscurity can take you so far. I certainly would not find the Bramis Castle and finish up the game, had I not consulted google/youtube. Speaking of YT, fightincowboy's walkthrough is thoroughly excellent, if anyone wants to play through the hidden ending... In any case, I totally enjoyed it  Art design was right up my alley, my radiant build was effective (will probably turn it to Umbral for NG+ next year), twin worlds, level design and connectivity were interesting (I just wish there was a clearer indication for Umbral locations apart from dead-ends and maybe lose some of the jumping around platforms), bosses apart from Pieta were not so hard (I'd like to face the hidden boss), I didn't really mind minor bosses becoming regular enemies next and would surely be interested in some DLC or sequel |
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Post by heavysalad on Dec 12, 2023 14:49:19 GMT
So I've played a few hours of this, and I can't beat the first (I think it's the first) boss - Pietra. I must have had about 20 goes at it.
I'm not *amazing* at these sorts of games, but I finished Elden Ring, Bloodborne, etc. Am I doing something wrong or am I just shit?
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Dec 12, 2023 14:54:37 GMT
As you can guess by JuniorFE 's post, I finished LotF, Radiant ending. All and all, I agree with wunty it's a great game, but it's lasting impression turns sour by the performance issues, on the XseX at least. I've got the feeling that it doesn't play along with Quick Resume, because every time framerate hit rock bottom, if you closed the game completely (quitted from the dashboard) and started anew, performance improved. The only real issue I got with it is that, at times, there was no guidance to the next area - obscurity can take you so far. I certainly would not find the Bramis Castle and finish up the game, had I not consulted google/youtube. Speaking of YT, fightincowboy's walkthrough is thoroughly excellent, if anyone wants to play through the hidden ending... In any case, I totally enjoyed it Art design was right up my alley, my radiant build was effective (will probably turn it to Umbral for NG+ next year), twin worlds, level design and connectivity were interesting (I just wish there was a clearer indication for Umbral locations apart from dead-ends and maybe lose some of the jumping around platforms), bosses apart from Pieta were not so hard (I'd like to face the hidden boss), I didn't really mind minor bosses becoming regular enemies next and would surely be interested in some DLC or sequel I agree pretty much completely. I've come to love the game, but still resent it somewhat for the tech problems. I'm at Bramis castle now - an oversized boss, have only had two gos at him and feel I'll beat him whenever I get the chance next. But yeah, how the hell would I have known where to go after The Empyrean without looking it up? And once I got to the place I needed to, the boss didn't spawn as I hadn't done a couple of things. Sheesh. I did love that boss fight though. |
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Post by JuniorFE on Dec 12, 2023 14:56:08 GMT
JonFE honestly, if you're just after the endings/unfought bosses, it might be better to just do "NG+0"... You get to keep everything you have as usual, the world resets as usual (sans tankier enemies etc) and you don't have to contend with the more BS ways they increased the difficulty in the actual NG+ (removing certain vestiges and such). Whatever benefits NG+1 may have don't seem to outweigh the annoyances...
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Dec 12, 2023 14:56:35 GMT
So I've played a few hours of this, and I can't beat the first (I think it's the first) boss - Pietra. I must have had about 20 goes at it. I'm not *amazing* at these sorts of games, but I finished Elden Ring, Bloodborne, etc. Am I doing something wrong or am I just shit? She's genuinely one of the hardest bosses in the game, relative to your level, equipment etc. A dumb thing for the developers to do but stick with it. You can NPC summon just outside the area to draw some of the aggro, or to make it even easier, summon someone online (you may have to wait but this has got better). Otherwise you need to - sigh - learn her attacks and know where to place yourself to dodge AOE attacks etc (as far as I remember, I'm about 50 bosses in now and near the end). |
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Post by JuniorFE on Dec 12, 2023 15:02:10 GMT
So I've played a few hours of this, and I can't beat the first (I think it's the first) boss - Pietra. I must have had about 20 goes at it. I'm not *amazing* at these sorts of games, but I finished Elden Ring, Bloodborne, etc. Am I doing something wrong or am I just shit? She's genuinely one of the hardest bosses in the game, relative to your level, equipment etc. A dumb thing for the developers to do but stick with it. You can summon just outside the area to draw some of the aggro. Otherwise you need to - sigh - learn her attacks and know where to place yourself to dodge AOE attacks etc (as far as I remember, I'm about 50 bosses in now and near the end). Tis hardly a new thing for a Soulsbornioh to have a boss near the start that feels like it should have been placed later on in terms of difficulty/available resources, to be fair Capra, Smelter Demon, I'm sure there were some in 3 and Bloodborne (I guess Dancer if you spawned her early?), Umi-Bozu, Yatsu-no-Kami, heck the very first boss in Wo Long used to be that (might still be, I never fought him again but he might have been nerfed even more since then) |
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Dec 12, 2023 15:25:07 GMT
Zhang Liang was indeed a right prick.
And the less said about Capra the better! I've heard people defend him / her / it / them but the whole frustration was the size of the arena - plus dogs. Something LotF leans into in later bosses too (NPC boss fights, that is, which I guess may or may not happen to you depending on quest line fulfiment).
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Dec 12, 2023 15:34:55 GMT
Did anyone beat Paladin's Burden, on The Path of Devotion? He's the only boss I'm aware of that is still around earlier in the game that I haven't finished off. It doesn't help that you only have one life, and have to run through a tonne of mobs, but the main issue is him spamming re-heals at will, which I can't seem to stop. I'm wondering if I missed an obvious strategy...or cheese.  |
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Dec 12, 2023 15:44:32 GMT
I've just learned that I failed the Tortured Prisoner's quest as I moved on to The Sundered Monarch too soon  That's a major pet peeve of mine with soulsbornes in general, and one that LotF certainly indulges in: obscure NPC quest conditions. |
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Post by loto on Dec 12, 2023 16:04:52 GMT
@flexblefeline
I beat Paladin, but it’s a fairly hard battle. Almost a DPS race, but when does his briar clumps attack, just run Forrest and keep running until he stops. I didn’t find his healing too bad, but you have to press him so that you reduce the amount he heals otherwise you’re done.
As for NPC quests, there’s some good ones and some are trash. Killing an NPC when the player uses a shortcut lift after a boss battle with no warning is gash. There’s others where you need to look at a guide as you’d screw it in normal gameplay.
I’m on my fourth NG0 and I’m really enjoying it. I’ve done all the endings, which are different shades of whatever but the game has got under my skin and I hope there’s more from the developer.
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Post by wunty on Dec 12, 2023 16:39:52 GMT
I beat the Paladin first time and I couldn't really tell you much about him. I beat a lot of things first time. I tell you what though, it had fuck all to do with skill. I keep putting off an NG+ becasue I wanted a few more performance tweaks. My man on the inside has gone dark though, so I'm just going to have to YOLO it and get going anyway, because I really have an itch to play it more. So loto you just kept going on the NG0 cycle? I'm tempted to do that. Worried I'll maybe get bored if it's not much harder but suppose I can make sure I do the endings and anything else I've missed more easily. Then I can go on to NG+1 with the fewer vestiges etc JonFE Glad you liked it in the end. I agree that the technical side of things really lets down what is otherwise quite a superb game. The art design is great isn't it. |
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Post by heavysalad on Dec 12, 2023 16:52:38 GMT
She's genuinely one of the hardest bosses in the game, relative to your level, equipment etc. A dumb thing for the developers to do but stick with it. You can summon just outside the area to draw some of the aggro. Otherwise you need to - sigh - learn her attacks and know where to place yourself to dodge AOE attacks etc (as far as I remember, I'm about 50 bosses in now and near the end). Tis hardly a new thing for a Soulsbornioh to have a boss near the start that feels like it should have been placed later on in terms of difficulty/available resources, to be fair Capra, Smelter Demon, I'm sure there were some in 3 and Bloodborne (I guess Dancer if you spawned her early?), Umi-Bozu, Yatsu-no-Kami, heck the very first boss in Wo Long used to be that (might still be, I never fought him again but he might have been nerfed even more since then) Yeah this one feels way harder than some of those bosses - for me at least I've tried it summoning the NPC and without summing and it makes little difference. I can generally get her about half way and then I die. Haven't tried summoning a real human yet - but haven't even seen the option; would it just show similar to the NPC? |
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Dec 12, 2023 17:40:26 GMT
Tis hardly a new thing for a Soulsbornioh to have a boss near the start that feels like it should have been placed later on in terms of difficulty/available resources, to be fair Capra, Smelter Demon, I'm sure there were some in 3 and Bloodborne (I guess Dancer if you spawned her early?), Umi-Bozu, Yatsu-no-Kami, heck the very first boss in Wo Long used to be that (might still be, I never fought him again but he might have been nerfed even more since then) Yeah this one feels way harder than some of those bosses - for me at least I've tried it summoning the NPC and without summing and it makes little difference. I can generally get her about half way and then I die. Haven't tried summoning a real human yet - but haven't even seen the option; would it just show similar to the NPC? You do it from the Vestige / bonfire. Then wait...and wait. |
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Dec 12, 2023 18:10:03 GMT
@flexblefeline I beat Paladin, but it’s a fairly hard battle. Almost a DPS race, but when does his briar clumps attack, just run Forrest and keep running until he stops. I didn’t find his healing too bad, but you have to press him so that you reduce the amount he heals otherwise you’re done. As for NPC quests, there’s some good ones and some are trash. Killing an NPC when the player uses a shortcut lift after a boss battle with no warning is gash. There’s others where you need to look at a guide as you’d screw it in normal gameplay. I’m on my fourth NG0 and I’m really enjoying it. I’ve done all the endings, which are different shades of whatever but the game has got under my skin and I hope there’s more from the developer. Thanks, I do do the Benny Hill dash. I just don't spot / can't get to him quickly enough as he prepares to heal. Next time I'll cling to that bastard like a limpet. If I can be bothered to go back to him that is. |
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Art design was right up my alley, my radiant build was effective (will probably turn it to Umbral for NG+ next year), twin worlds, level design and connectivity were interesting (I just wish there was a clearer indication for Umbral locations apart from dead-ends and maybe lose some of the jumping around platforms), bosses apart from Pieta were not so hard (I'd like to face the hidden boss), I didn't really mind minor bosses becoming regular enemies next and would surely be interested in some DLC or sequel 
