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Post by Vandelay on Oct 18, 2024 10:23:30 GMT
"Reach the anus" just feels like a goal I can really identify with. I'm also glad to have confirmation that the idea some people have suggested of Metaphor being "grown up Persona" are exaggerated. Edit - ah, sweet, sweet new page post.
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Post by suicida on Oct 21, 2024 21:47:30 GMT
did the Dragon Temple today, such a fantastic dungeon. it absolutely blew my mind when I thought "oh this reminds me of Etrian Odyssey" and then playing through the area I slowly realised that it literally *is* the final dungeon from EO, same map layout, same music, save points in the same place, it even has FOE enemies that follow a set path and only move when you do well played, ATLUS. Such a cool nod to your past
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Post by dfunked on Oct 21, 2024 22:14:40 GMT
Yeah, that was quite a decent one. I went to the boss far too early though, as it feels like I left loads of it uncovered. I'll have to dip back into it on an off day.
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Post by suicida on Oct 21, 2024 22:21:37 GMT
Yeah, that was quite a decent one. I went to the boss far too early though, as it feels like I left loads of it uncovered. I'll have to dip back into it on an off day. there are a lot of very good items on the floor with the entrance to the boss room, worth exploring the whole area. the enemies there hit very hard though
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Post by Garfy on Oct 26, 2024 11:16:35 GMT
Yeah I'm having a blast exploring the 4th main plot dungeon.
Definitely not a one and done affair this one.
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Post by dfunked on Oct 26, 2024 18:55:27 GMT
I'm on what I'm assuming is the last stretch before the final fight. Wandering around the place trying to get the last few follower ranks finished and get the last royal virtue maxed. I've chosen pretty poorly in how to spend a lot of days, but it's looking like I should be able to get them all ticked off.
Found out that I missed a book, so gave up on chasing achievements other than these two.
Made the mistake of wandering into the tower south of the island as the first thing I did coming into the endgame and eventually had to admit defeat and run away licking my wounds. That boss certainly isn't fucking about!
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Post by Garfy on Oct 28, 2024 10:27:29 GMT
Onto the fifth main area, the plot thickening into a delicious roux
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Post by zisssou on Oct 28, 2024 10:37:38 GMT
I was on the fence about buying this, but then I thought I'd give Persona 5 another shot.. as I have it already.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 28, 2024 11:41:18 GMT
Seems I'm quite a bit behind everyone else, as I'm still on the third dungeon. Have a feeling I've not done enough combat or tried spreading out a bit too much with archetypes, as I'm glancing at guides to defeating the enemies on the port/starboard and they are referencing archetypes that I've not unlocked yet.
Also think maybe I should have had priority on the characters' initial archetypes, got those to level 20 before mixing it up with others. Seeker in particular I only got to level 4 or 5 before shifting off to mostly focusing on Mage and Healer on the main character. Think I was put off by the description that mentions it being a bit of a jack of all trades class, but getting those main archetypes to the second and third (and sometimes fourth) tier seems to be a big power boost.
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Post by dfunked on Oct 28, 2024 12:52:36 GMT
I found that every time I snuck a look at a guide. Most of them expect you to have the ultimate class for each archetype unlocked the very first moment it possibly becomes available, which just isn't going to happen unless you're following a day by day guide to the letter to unlock max follower ranks asap.
I spent a pretty dull couple of hours grinding A-EXP yesterday as I'm clearly not ready for the last side boss before the point of no return. Kind of kills the enjoyment of the game and I'm more than ready for it to all be over with now.
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Post by harrypalmer on Oct 28, 2024 19:35:42 GMT
I was on the fence about buying this, but then I thought I'd give Persona 5 another shot.. as I have it already. I have never completed an atlas game, so am similarly on the fence. The demo is extremely generous though, I’m about five hours in so far! Still kind of on the fence but it’s almost got its hooks in.
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Post by Tuffty on Oct 29, 2024 1:30:13 GMT
The quest in a side dungeon was pretty well designed into getting me to realise that it's actually ok to have 2 of the same archtype in your party at once. If the enemies are impervious to physical damage then you gotta go double mage to get multi hit spells to exploit those weaknesses.
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Post by dfunked on Oct 29, 2024 6:39:11 GMT
Hell, even 4x Tycoon can work quite well for some of the trickier stuff. Constant crits!
I'm really starting to appreciate the fourth member and how much he suits the knight archetypes now.
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Post by Humperfunk on Nov 3, 2024 11:07:35 GMT
Just finished, 78 and a half hours and this is genuinely not just game of the year, it's game of the generation and frankly should be held up alongside all time classics. I think this might be the perfect game for me, I think also I'll need a break from games for the rest of the year because everything will look shit in comparison.
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Post by Garfy on Nov 3, 2024 13:03:27 GMT
So you liked it then? 😅
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Nov 3, 2024 14:54:21 GMT
I have resisted buying this so far, I have finally stopped preordering every Atlus game, not having time to play it and then the deluxe version comes out with loads of extra content. I remember them saying P5 wasn't going to be like that, but of course, the usual happens. I did actually finish P5 at least. SMT V being my most recent buy it twice experience. At least catching up with the Trails seies and them being so old I know what is coming for the next 8 games or so...
I did have a small look at the demo for Metaphor, but only up to the city.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 6, 2024 15:48:35 GMT
So the Merchant Archetype's Hero Passive is about as busted for general utility/farming as the Mage's is for dungeon crawling... The "chance" for extra money seems to activate on every single preemptive strike/kill, so every weak enough enemy is now worth a cool 300+ money each, and that's on top of the inflated item drop rates from the rank 2 passive! If you're interested, take care of the Red Merchantess'/Brigitta's first quest ASAP. A decently levelled Knight-centric party can take care of the required, Spear-weak boss pretty easily, especially if you've also unlocked the Brawler class for the Hammer of Justice Synthesis skill and/or are using a Warrior to access Jump Thrust (just make sure you use inherited healing skills, the boss and every enemy in the dungeon will go berserk if you bring in actual Healers or Mages), and turning in the quest immediately gets you the class. (the first spoilers are the class and what its passive actually does, the last one is how to get it)
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Post by dfunked on Nov 6, 2024 15:57:13 GMT
The mage's hero passive kind of pales in insignificance once you unlock a few MP regen passives. Would've been nice if hero passives upgraded as you unlock more of the archetype tree, as it really needed to be +2 or +3 MP to remain relevant later in the game.
But yeah, that archetype is nuts! The main attack can be extremely useful too (I had a party made up entirely of that archetype at one point)
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Post by rajin on Nov 6, 2024 16:50:35 GMT
Personally I felt persona 5 (royal) had a huge dropoff in quality after the 2nd Palace. I also am one of those rare people who dislike Royal for making the game more tedious. The battles and systems also felt worse then a lot of other Atlus titles.
This game on the other hand, is simply pure magic. Very little to critique besides some nitpicks (wish you could unlock a archetype switch in battle at the cost of 2 turn icons or something).
Currently at the 2nd dungeon and really loving it. I do dislike the abundance of items to purify while blessed water is rare. I will use a farm trick to get around 15 or so because walking out of the dungeons full of gear I cannot purify is annoying. Again, wish I could pay a huge sum or something to get those items. Would also fit the religion in the game really well.
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Post by Duffking on Nov 11, 2024 10:45:46 GMT
Two things I wish I'd known before starting: 1. Although the game obviously wants you to swap archetypes on your characters, there's actually no downside to keeping characters on archetypes they've mastered, because no matter what tier archetype they're using, once they've hit max level on it they'll overlevel it every 1000 AXP they get, which gives you can item you can use to give 1000 AXP to another archetype. So you don't have to switch, you can just level them in the background using the item, meaning you can always use whats right for the dungeon etc than forcing yourself to use something just because you need the AXP for it to level it up to unlock a certain skill inherit or prerequisite for another archetype. 2. Every character obviously has their "primary" line that they're associated with, and you should probably at the very least complete those archetypes, but it's worth looking up what their exclusive archetype's additional requirements are, along with any pre-requisite archetypes for those (ie, one character's needs rank 15 Magic Knight iirc, but I'd not really used them that way, let alone a mage character, but Magic Knight also needs rank 10 Mage) so you can tick them off early before spreading skills around. It'll also give you a clue as to what the game actually feels that character is best suited for. There's one character I didn't use much and didn't really know what to do with them; now at the end I can see what the general idea with them was and it was a ballache getting all that stuff unlocked later. I'm nearly finished with the game I think, fair to say it's pretty easy maxing all the bonds in time etc. I finished my last one with something like 18 days of free time left. I think if anyone's looking for a rule of thumb on free time, I'd recommend the following priority order: 1. Side quests with a lower or equal difficulty than the current main dungeon objective (this is usually like, all of them) 2. The current main dungeon 3. Remaining side quests
4. Bond level ups 5. Royal virtue increases But also check the pantry daily and use the toilet for a free luck stat boost on dates ending in 5/0.
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Post by gibroon on Nov 11, 2024 20:30:44 GMT
It's all a bit odd how the levelling works but at the same time it works well.
I've been switching up my archetypes quite a lot and it seems relatively quick to get them to a high level quite quickly. I did a couple of bounties with bad weather by accident but it really helps with levelling the archetypes.
I had a few days left after the main dungeon in the second town and when doing another dungeon to pass the time, I basically twatted everything running around because I was so overlevelled. Only went into squad mode at the end boss and it only lasted 3 rounds.
Very moreish game, enjoying it a lot.
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Post by Duffking on Nov 11, 2024 20:49:50 GMT
The scaling kinda changes with the archetypes over time, the later archetypes tend to need around 4-5x the xp for each rank relative to the same rank in the earlier ones, but the archetype xp from battles feels like its only around 2-3x, so it starts to take a noticeably long time. It does help you steamroll through the tier 1 archetypes at least relatively quicky, but once you start to need a random tier 2 archetype just to unlock a t3 and it can be a bit of a pain, especially if you don't have the t1.
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Post by gibroon on Nov 11, 2024 21:58:42 GMT
Yeah, I've just noticed that after trying out the wizard. I'll concentrate on T1 for now.
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