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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 25, 2024 11:46:47 GMT
Talking of Paramore, something's really been bothering me recently. Do people see acts like Paramore, Panic at the Disco, Avril Lavigne, My Chemical Romance, and Fallout Boy as legitimate? ie. Not a bunch of cynical bands dreamed up by a record company? In the mid 2000s I remember practically everyone I knew - including myself - being very sniffy about these bands. We viewed them as laughable even, mainly aimed at kids, yet these days I keep seeing them revered as figureheads of the alternative scene for this period, which I find baffling. I don't really think it's fair on at least a few of the bands to say they were dreamt up by record labels. My Chemical Romance's first album was on an independent label, for instance. Did the major labels recognise they could be pushed, of course, but that's kind of the whole point of major record labels. The only one of those acts I'd personally consider "manufactured" would be Lavigne, and even then I don't know enough about her history to know how true that is. I don't really like any of those acts (except for maybe MCR, but I only liked The Black Parade album), but they were huge, and whether they were marketed towards kids or not is irrelevant as those kids are now older, and to that demographic they *were* figureheads.
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Post by damagedinc on Jun 25, 2024 12:24:37 GMT
Talking of Paramore, something's really been bothering me recently. Do people see acts like Paramore, Panic at the Disco, Avril Lavigne, My Chemical Romance, and Fallout Boy as legitimate? ie. Not a bunch of cynical bands dreamed up by a record company? In the mid 2000s I remember practically everyone I knew - including myself - being very sniffy about these bands. We viewed them as laughable even, mainly aimed at kids, yet these days I keep seeing them revered as figureheads of the alternative scene for this period, which I find baffling. I don't really think it's fair on at least a few of the bands to say they were dreamt up by record labels. My Chemical Romance's first album was on an independent label, for instance. Did the major labels recognise they could be pushed, of course, but that's kind of the whole point of major record labels. The only one of those acts I'd personally consider "manufactured" would be Lavigne, and even then I don't know enough about her history to know how true that is. I don't really like any of those acts (except for maybe MCR, but I only liked The Black Parade album), but they were huge, and whether they were marketed towards kids or not is irrelevant as those kids are now older, and to that demographic they *were* figureheads. I think denying yourself music because it's "dreamed up by a record company" you might find limiting options. At least In the mainstream field. Not listening to "mainstream" music is something I would have said when I was 14 listening to papa roach. Fully unaware they were pushed on everyone and I wasn't as unique as i thought lol.
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Post by darkling on Jun 25, 2024 12:46:11 GMT
Maybe it was unfair and technically incorrect of me to say "dreamed up by a record company", but compared to the bands I grew up with in the 90s and early 2000s, the acts I mentioned just had no conviction - sheep in wolves clothing - and certainly didn't have albums full of bangers. To me, it seemed like they'd been manufactured to ride the wave created by much better bands in the early 2000s.
I don't know. It just seems like bands like Deftones and System of a Down are all but forgotten these days, but everyone remembers diet-metal acts like My Chemical Romance and Paramore.
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Post by rawshark on Jun 25, 2024 13:10:00 GMT
The new watermark for getting old is when you relate to We Never Have Sex Anymore by The Offspring.
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Post by cristar on Jun 25, 2024 13:42:05 GMT
Yeah I still listen to The Black Parade sometimes.
I do not like Megadeth, or Matalica, or heavy metal at all really. But I did love it when Peace Sells came on the radio in San Andreas.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Jun 25, 2024 13:57:35 GMT
I've been struggling to think of a song by a band I don't like but the posts above have helped me find one:
I can't quite believe that merging an ELO pastiche arrangement and melody with lyrics on the brutal reality of a loved one dying from that nasty piece of shit disease would work...but it does, at least for me.
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Post by killerbee on Jun 25, 2024 13:58:06 GMT
Re Paramore etc, those bands often seem to get pushed at me via the Spotify algorithm, and on paper, yes, their style and sound should be right up my street… but I’ve always found them a bit meh.
The gems I have discovered that way tend to be a little more niche… I’ve very much enjoyed:
VUKOVI - listen to: Creep Heat; Quench; I Exist. Albums “Nula” and “Fall Better” are good.
Dream State - debut album “Primrose Path” is great (start there) but their main singer left and the newer stuff isn’t quite as good.
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Post by simple on Jun 25, 2024 14:54:24 GMT
If you’re feeling sniffy about Fall Out Boy you could always listen to all the hardcore bands they’ve played in like Racetraitor and Vegan Reich
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 25, 2024 15:02:15 GMT
There's definitely some songs on game soundtracks I love, where I don't care about anything else by the artist.
For example I'm not generally into gangster rap (a few exceptions here and the I guess) but Qadir - Nickname from the GTAIV soundtrack is fucking great.
(Is that even gangster rap? Definitely has a significant gun scheme though)
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 25, 2024 16:10:04 GMT
Probably a bit of a cheat, but I'll add Appetite for Destruction to the list (all 12 songs of it!).
I think the album holds up very well indeed, and I'll always have a soft spot for it as it got me into rock music in the first place. The rest of Guns' discography* can do one, though.
* I haven't heard Chinese Democracy, and have no desire whatsoever to do so.
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Post by retro74 on Jun 25, 2024 17:35:44 GMT
I have never heard another song they’ve done but one of my favourite songs is 74/75 by the Connells I don’t dislike them or anything because I have no idea who they are but that song is the business Have you seen the (now quite old) revisit video? It’s genuinely quite depressing I just watched it now, I thought it was quite nice, was expecting pictures of coffins to be honest Only one dead (RIP that guy) and some of them looked better than they did in 1993!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2024 18:02:06 GMT
Probably a bit of a cheat, but I'll add Appetite for Destruction to the list (all 12 songs of it!). I think the album holds up very well indeed, and I'll always have a soft spot for it as it got me into rock music in the first place. The rest of Guns' discography* can do one, though. * I haven't heard Chinese Democracy, and have no desire whatsoever to do so. There are a few decent tunes on CD. Just treat it as an Axl solo album.
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Post by simple on Jun 25, 2024 18:06:34 GMT
I like all the original run if G’n’R albums but Appetite really is something special. Astonishing that it sounds that big with so many all time classics and its the debut album of a club band.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2024 18:13:47 GMT
Regarding the emo type bands discussed above…
I think Avril probably was manufactured.
The others just strike me more as bandwagoneers.
Out of all the bands we were in at sixth form/college/school two halves of two bands joined together and rode that sort of wave and these were bands that previously sounded like Green Day and Good Riddance respectively. Now to be fair they had started listening to all that stuff but it was excruciating hearing them listen to the music of others from the almost sole perspective of what they could nick for ideas for their next song.
They ended up signed to a UK independent label and touring with people like Funeral for a Friend and people like that, and sounding exactly like that too. They had picked up on the vibe, thought ‘well have some of that’ and just completely repackaged themselves. I guess you could argue a similar thing with Symposium to Hell is Heroes.
What I’m saying in a long winded way is never underestimate the capacity for bands to deliberately manufacture their own sound to try and succeed in the context of a zeitgeist or scene - that’s what I think for example Paramore and Panic are. Doubtlessly producers will have worked with them but they’d probably streamlined/sold out (delete to your tastes) before they ever got in a studio. We are also looking at the last hurrah years for purchased music - so labels would have been looking for people like that - see also the landfill indie discussion.
Like somebody else said, not all manufactured music is bad either. Motown was almost entirely manufactured and made a lot of the greatest music ever and was socially important in the process. The Swedish (I think) guys that wrote all the Britney/N Sync etc wrote objectively brilliant pop music.
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Post by cubby on Jun 25, 2024 18:18:33 GMT
I don't know. It just seems like bands like Deftones and System of a Down are all but forgotten these days, but everyone remembers diet-metal acts like My Chemical Romance and Paramore. Are you bonkers? SOAD are by far the biggest band in that whole list you've brought up. The main issue with relevance there is that they haven't released a new album since 2005.
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Post by Vortex on Jun 25, 2024 18:38:48 GMT
I like all the original run if G’n’R albums but Appetite really is something special. Astonishing that it sounds that big with so many all time classics and its the debut album of a club band. I was absolutely blown away when i first heard it when it came out. It will always have a special place in my heart. The second album(s) were a disaster though, and i was into grunge & dancey stuff by then anyway! 😜
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Post by simple on Jun 25, 2024 19:31:15 GMT
I don't know. It just seems like bands like Deftones and System of a Down are all but forgotten these days, but everyone remembers diet-metal acts like My Chemical Romance and Paramore. Are you bonkers? SOAD are by far the biggest band in that whole list you've brought up. The main issue with relevance there is that they haven't released a new album since 2005. Deftones have managed to keep relevant with a certain kind of cool too. They always were slightly adjacent to a lot of numetal and now they’re at stuff like Primavera and the more dreamy shoegazey side of things seems to appeal to Gen Z. But then there is a mini-revival in elements of numetal in general right now. Not just 40 yr olds going to see Korn again but loads of new alternative and hardcore stuff is clearly very influenced by the better numetal bands. The last Deftones album (Ohms) genuinely has some of the best stuff they’ve done since White Pony. But then they were always slightly smaller than their reputation would have you believe so avoided a lot of the boom and bust of music trends by just doing their thing. SOAD are weird because as a live act they’re enormous, the biggest numetal era act outside of Slipknot, but they haven’t even pretended to make new music in 20 years. And the drummer is a big Trump guy, despite y’know, everything about his band and bandmates.
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Post by cubby on Jun 25, 2024 20:07:00 GMT
The gems I have discovered that way tend to be a little more niche… I’ve very much enjoyed: VUKOVI - listen to: Creep Heat; Quench; I Exist. Albums “Nula” and “Fall Better” are good. I've been into Vukovi since before their first album and they are great. It's ironic though as they've had a similar trajectory to Paramore where now it's literally 2 members in the band, as they lost their bassist and drummer, so their live shows rely far too heavily on backing tracks for my liking, as much as Janine is a great frontwoman.
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Post by zisssou on Jul 4, 2024 13:06:22 GMT
My nostalgia blast continues as I found an old MTV2 playlist.
Jimmy Eat World - The Middle My Vitriol - Always: Your Way Hundred Reasons - If I could Lit - My Own Worst Enemy Spineshank - New Disease The Vines - Ride Fountains Of Wayne - Stacy's Mom SOiL - Halo Sugar Ray - Morning Hot Action Cop - Fever for the Flava Billy Talent - Try Honesty
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Post by simple on Jul 4, 2024 13:22:05 GMT
Hundred Reasons are doing the Royal Albert Hall with Rival Schools supporting next year if you want to really indulge.
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Post by zisssou on Jul 4, 2024 13:28:22 GMT
I don't know if they can still rock it like 2002.
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Post by Ulythium on Jul 4, 2024 14:01:24 GMT
zisssou Nice! I genuinely like(d) My Vitriol.
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Post by killerbee on Jul 4, 2024 14:23:49 GMT
The gems I have discovered that way tend to be a little more niche… I’ve very much enjoyed: VUKOVI - listen to: Creep Heat; Quench; I Exist. Albums “Nula” and “Fall Better” are good. I've been into Vukovi since before their first album and they are great. It's ironic though as they've had a similar trajectory to Paramore where now it's literally 2 members in the band, as they lost their bassist and drummer, so their live shows rely far too heavily on backing tracks for my liking, as much as Janine is a great frontwoman. I meant to mention this before - Janine has done a mini-album / EP with Thomas McNeice called “Deadly”. It’s less rocky, more electronic / orchestral but there are some really good songs (including a reworked version of Behave from the Fall Better VUKOVI album) - and her vocals really shine.
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Post by Tuffty on Jul 4, 2024 15:10:21 GMT
Fountains of Wayne and Deep Blue Something have to be right up there in terms of one hit wonders.
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Post by simple on Jul 4, 2024 16:51:04 GMT
I don't know if they can still rock it like 2002. The album they put out last year is very nearly up to that standard. Easily better than anything other than the debut.
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Post by Tuffty on Jul 28, 2024 17:17:22 GMT
Have to say it. "I Want It That Way" by Backstreet Boys.
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Post by Danno on Jul 28, 2024 17:19:31 GMT
Fountains of Wayne and Deep Blue Something have to be right up there in terms of one hit wonders. The first Fountains of Wayne album is pretty good. Stacey's Mom was guff.
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