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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 5, 2021 15:34:12 GMT
Hamilton got Hamiltoned there. We've had 7 years of unflappable front running from him and he's getting some of it back now from an equal. That was a flawless race and strategy from Max and Red Bull. You'd be forgiven for thinking it was a 2v1 in the opposite direction with the way they went about that race.
Pretty awesome driving from everyone really. Considering some of the clusterfuck starts and accidents we get elsewhere, it was amazing we didn't get umpteen safety cars and red flags. How they all avoided each other on lap 1 is beyond me.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 5, 2021 16:04:46 GMT
Yeah it was very much role reversal from last year, with Max out front calmly managing the gap ticking off laps, and Lewis behind gamely keeping him honest and 'maximising' his race result. Quite telling that Hamilton was pretty upbeat afterwards. Exactly as we saw with Verstappen last season. You have to accept the limits of what's possible in this sport or you go mad (or overdrive and crash).
Feel for Schumacher, who really hasn't done much wrong and is being relentlessly attacked by Mazpein for imagined slights. Increasingly clear that Mazepin has realised he can't beat him fairly, so is on to plan B. Plan B is silly aggressive driving backed up by using your dad's team sponsorship to get away with it. Sure, it might work for him to get closer to Mick within Haas but no other team on the grid will touch him with a bargepole so it's pretty shortsighted. The sooner he pisses off to Indycar the better.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 5, 2021 16:45:17 GMT
Still think Merc may rue the day they decided to manage Bottas' last 18 months at the team so poorly. They should be looking for a slam dunk 1-2 next week on a track they should have a decent advantage at. But with the guy looking so totally defeated it wouldn't surprise me at all to watch him trundle around to an anonymous 3rd and not take any points away from Max. I've never thought he was a particularly amazing driver but he deserves a lot better than the sub-Barichello crap he's been fed on his way out.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 5, 2021 17:41:08 GMT
They should have put Russell in this year and the fact that didn't might cost them. It's only really the underperformance of Perez that is saving embarrassment. Norris has been matching him in a McLaren.
I think Bottas has had every chance to succeed and sadly for him, he's found his level and that reality has hit his motivation. He's an excellent qualifier but he is rarely able to match Hamilton on race pace. It didn't matter that much when they had the best car (last year he was third too often but Hamilton invariably won) but it really does now as he's barely a factor.
Of course he has to play the team game when you're out of the drivers title fight by June every year.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 5, 2021 17:47:20 GMT
What we're seeing is the result of a man knowing he's lost his seat whatever happens a year in advance. This open secret shit is a really poor thing to do at any time, but for a guy who's been as compliant as Bottas has been is something else entirely. It's been handled terribly and they should have just chucked George in under the condition that he's a clearly defined number 2 until the new regs came in next year. He'd have been motivated as fuck, picked up a win or two and helped Lewis to the title.
Can't hold his phoned in performances this year against him, the position he's been put in isn't nice at all.
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Post by monkman5000 on Sept 5, 2021 17:50:55 GMT
That could go two ways though couldn't it, a better Mercedes number two would probably nick as many wins off Hamilton as second places off Verstappen.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 5, 2021 18:05:26 GMT
I think George would have snapped Toto's arm off for this season in a Merc under the guise of it being a 'learning/bedding in year'. Back up Lewis, help him win his 8th title and then you're free to fight when the new regs kick in next year. I'm not Bottas' biggest fan but even I know he's looked nothing like his usual self this year. He's pretty much the blueprint for a perfect front running back up driver when he's motivated. This year he's not arsed about getting involved in the slightest.
Chances are they are going to have to have an early conversation about it next year if it's close at the top. There's just no way they will be able to beat Verstappen and fight each other for points at the same time. But they could have made this year so, so much easier on themselves with a couple of better decisions.
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Post by KD on Sept 6, 2021 11:44:16 GMT
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 6, 2021 11:50:36 GMT
Finally off those 1 year deals. Good for him, it's a good fit for both that.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 6, 2021 12:39:09 GMT
Pleased for Bottas, however, I don't think Merc have done anything wrong by him personally. Much of the delay has clearly been for Bottas' benefit because they wanted to give him the courtesy of announcing his plans before they announced his replacement. I expect Alfa also insisted that Kimi was allowed to announce his retirement first as well.
It's always been clear to everyone that if Bottas eradicated the performance troughs, he'd have been offered a multi-year deal. He's enjoyed one of the four most desirable seats on the grid (and top two for most of that time) so of course the bar is high. If he was finishing <10s behind Hamilton every week he'd have kept the seat, and if he'd gradually started finishing as the lead Merc more often it would now be Hamilton getting nudged into retirement in order to make way for Russell.
At least when Bottas does retire, he'll 'know' that he tested himself at the very highest level, and there's certainly no shame in coming up a bit short. It's braver to place yourself in that vulnerable position and back your ability to avoid embarrassment. He should have no regrets.
I hope for his sake that he gets a proper 'rated' teammate at Alfa next season so can remind people how good he really is. Sure, be proxy, it's irrefutable that he's not got the talent of Hamilton, Alonso, Rosberg and Button, but he's probably still better than half the grid and most of his generation.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 6, 2021 13:13:46 GMT
Merc got exactly what they wanted out of Bottas. They never wanted another Lewis Vs Nico and quite rightly too. Their hand is being forced a bit by having a possible generational talent on the books they simply can't afford to lose to someone else. But they should have pulled the trigger last year going into this season really. His form this season is very obviously below what he's capable of, it's been poorly handled. The fact it's been such an open secret for so long can't have been easy for him.
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Post by brokenkey on Sept 6, 2021 16:22:41 GMT
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Post by damagedinc on Sept 6, 2021 17:17:16 GMT
Merc got exactly what they wanted out of Bottas. They never wanted another Lewis Vs Nico and quite rightly too. Their hand is being forced a bit by having a possible generational talent on the books they simply can't afford to lose to someone else. But they should have pulled the trigger last year going into this season really. His form this season is very obviously below what he's capable of, it's been poorly handled. The fact it's been such an open secret for so long can't have been easy for him. Yeah all this is completly right in my opinion. George backed them into a corner ever since they put him in the car last year. It was done from that point. Should have given bottas a nice big pay cheque to thank him and helped him find another seat. Give George more time with Lewis etc. Instead they pissed of bottas, he is quite rightly not playing the team game. Which may cost them. Bottas annoys me though..nows not the season to play hard ball and I think he will always regret not pushing for a title in the best car for 5 years. Whether that was talent or contract obligations only he will know.
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Post by damagedinc on Sept 7, 2021 8:06:40 GMT
Tsunoda keeping his seat, mad really (apart from the obvious marketing for honda) especially as they may lose albon to williams which would sever his ties to red bull.
Be interesting if he keeps his seat beyond the Honda deal. He might improve but been one of the big disappointments of this season.
Looking like George is being announced today at some point this morning.
Interesting chat on the missed apex podcast. Despite the "2nd seat issues" at red bull was any of it to be expected.
Albon/gasly and perez albeit good drivers arnt generational talents. Is it not to be expected they struggled. I think perez keeping his seat is actually a bit of a shame, he has been a bit crap since his early good start and if I was gasly I would be thinking about where I am going, I'm hoping he keeps ticking along at alpha and gets a seat at alpine when alonso calls it a day.
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Post by Flying Pig on Sept 7, 2021 9:37:55 GMT
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 7, 2021 9:51:50 GMT
Cat's finally out of the bag this morning then. I hope it's SPICY.
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Post by sport✅ on Sept 7, 2021 9:56:59 GMT
None of it matters tbh. New era of Ferrari dominance starts next year.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Sept 7, 2021 10:13:59 GMT
There's something really...off...about George Russell's face. He almost looks like dodgy CGI.
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Post by Gruf on Sept 7, 2021 10:18:02 GMT
Prediction, Haas reveals a rocket in 2022 due to not having spent any money this year, but Marzipan flan takes out Schumi in the first 5 races bankrupting the team
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 7, 2021 10:29:43 GMT
I predict the cars will end up looking nothing like as different as the mock up they've designed for the new regs, once various loopholes have been exploited.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 7, 2021 11:41:11 GMT
Even though it was expected, still really pleased for Russell. Rather like Leclerc's move to Ferrari, it feels like this starts the countdown clock on Hamilton's career.
I expect Russell to immediately cause him a few issues on track. Off-track, I doubt it'll be hugely fractious as I'm not sure either of them is that kind of personality. According to his various teammates, Hamilton's never really bothered with internal politics (at the weekend, Button/Rosberg said he used to be very naive as he arrogantly thought his speed was enough). George is a strong character who speaks his mind, and it's harder to say if he'll be tempted. Kubica mumbled a bit about George getting preferential treatment but he was getting destroyed, and nothing tangible ever came to light.
I suspect their relationship will be more like Button/Hamilton than Rosberg/Hamilton with mutual respect on track and minimal time together off it. George should gradually start to edge him on absolute pace, but I suspect Hamilton's experience will mean he picks up points more consistently in the short term.
Everything suggests George is another generational talent, so it's practically inevitable that at some point he'll assume full control. Happens with every generation, and it's extremely rare for a driver to maintain their peak past mid-thirties. Lauda/Prost at Mclaren is being cited as a precedent and I can see why. Hamilton is 37 in Jan, and by the end of his current contract, he'll be almost 40. Frankly, it would be weird if George didn't start to assume leadership through performance before then. It would be nice to see Hamilton handle it with grace and take him under his wing as Stewart did with Cevert, and Vettel is doing with Mick (but absolutely did not do with Leclerc). He'll have to adapt to survive.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 8, 2021 11:09:27 GMT
Pretty weird situation this year with the junior formula calendar being so delayed. The F2 season still is only at the halfway point yet the F1 silly season is pretty much done. The lack of opportunities will be pretty harsh if someone now dominates the remaining rounds to win the Championship in style.
Equally, the only standout as potential megastars are Pourchaire and Hauger and both of those could probably use an extra year anyway so maybe not the worst thing.
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Post by damagedinc on Sept 8, 2021 11:16:03 GMT
They've completly messed up f2 and f3 this year. Think it's been recognised and going back to the old way next season.
Don't like the extra race either. All just gets a bit diluted
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Post by damagedinc on Sept 8, 2021 12:10:00 GMT
Annnnnnnd now albon confirmed at williams
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Post by damagedinc on Sept 8, 2021 12:13:29 GMT
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 8, 2021 12:14:54 GMT
I'd definitely be taking experience over the unknown going into next season, so not surprised to not see as many new faces just yet. Definitely best to give anyone coming in a year under their belt as a reserve/free practice substitute.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 8, 2021 12:26:54 GMT
I see the Schumachers have come out just before this documentary hits Netflix next week and all but confirmed that the Michael that won 7 world championships is no longer with us. I know it was kinda obvious but it's quite bleak to actually hear it spelled out by the people that have been caring for him.
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Post by Gruf on Sept 8, 2021 13:26:47 GMT
Annnnnnnd now albon confirmed at williams Happy for him, RB wrecked his confidence much like they did Gasly, hope he does well
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Post by Flying Pig on Sept 8, 2021 16:07:05 GMT
I don't see Latifi putting up much of a fight against Albon. But it should be a good match - Williams seem to be moving in the right direction and Albon is certainly better than a number of other drivers on the grid...
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 9, 2021 15:38:04 GMT
Just managed to get booked in for Zandvoort next year. Been looking at doing a foreign GP for a while and the atmosphere totally sold me last weekend. Hopefully next year's cars deliver!
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