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Post by wunty on Oct 22, 2024 10:17:46 GMT
I was going to jump straight into The Lake House but actually tempted to start from ng+ and go through the whole game with everything in it too. Should be ready to start it by the end of the week if not before.
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Oct 22, 2024 10:56:56 GMT
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Post by peacemaker on Oct 22, 2024 10:56:56 GMT
Yeah I’m going to start a ng to go through both dlcs whilst replaying the main game. Not sure when. I’ll just get the £15 upgrade when I’m ready to rock. Such a great game, loved everything about it.
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Post by wunty on Oct 22, 2024 11:10:21 GMT
I’m already looking forward to doing the musical chapter again. So good.
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Oct 22, 2024 11:33:00 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 22, 2024 11:33:00 GMT
Just checked when this will be available and seems to be up in about 30 mins. Hope the download isn't too big and my slow internet will let me jump into it tonight.
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Oct 22, 2024 19:41:42 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 22, 2024 19:41:42 GMT
Good start! Just spent the last 20 minutes or so unable to solve the opening password puzzle, because the in-game "real" text of a document doesn't match up with the easy read text. If you don't want to look up what the computer password is, just make sure you use the date (July 17) instead of the year that is shown on the actual document (2015).
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Post by Duffmangb on Oct 23, 2024 7:03:37 GMT
About 2 hours into The Lake House, it's "ok" but fuckme there is A LOT of reading, too much in fact, at least for me!
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Post by richyroo on Oct 23, 2024 7:10:00 GMT
Hmmm, that doesn't sound great. That was my main issue with Control, every 2 seconds there is a new document to pick up and read and if you choose not to then you miss out on key story and detail.
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Oct 23, 2024 7:15:22 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on Oct 23, 2024 7:15:22 GMT
Can be finished in about 30 minutes.
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Oct 23, 2024 7:33:33 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 23, 2024 7:33:33 GMT
I finished in one seating (about 3 hours). There is quite a bit of reading, but I think I got an achievement for reading them all (some achievement popped up when I looked at one towards the end, so assume I got all of them). It takes a while to crank up the action, but there is a fair amount of it when it does kick in, so I thought it was reasonably balanced. Certainly more of an explore'em-up for the first half.
I liked it overall, but did find some of the combat to be a tad frustrating at times. Interesting that the best of the episodes in the last DLC was the combat heavy one, but here I have to put the annoyances down to the tight corridors and maybe the reliance on just the pistol for much it. The new enemies are creepy, but also have a habit of jumping out at you from nowhere and knocking off a chunk of health.
There is a boss that closes out the DLC, which is similar to the main game in not being great and a bit of a pain. Once I got into a rhythm with them though, they weren't too bad.
Storywise, I thought the self contained elements were pretty well done and I enjoyed the rivalry between the two Marmonts. It fits in reasonably nicely with AW2, but I was surprised there wasn't more connections with Control and its sequel. There are some (literal) flashes to what I expect is referencing the sequel at the end, but not much more beyond Darling popping up once or twice and references to The Old House being in lockdown. So, if you are Control fan, but not an Alan Wake fan you probably won't miss much by sitting this one out. Tonally, it also sticks quite closely to a claustrophobic horror vibe, so that with the shortish running time doesn't leave much room for fun little moments like the We Sing chapter from the main game.
Overall, I don't think it quite hits the heights of the best bits from the previous DLC or the main game, but it is better than the weaker points. Well worth playing if you liked the original game, but not worth it if you were indifferent or didn't like the rest.
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Post by harrypalmer on Oct 23, 2024 7:40:12 GMT
£15 for 3 hours is right on the edge of being a bit pants.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 23, 2024 7:48:15 GMT
Doesn't the £15 get you the other DLC too? That was also about 3 hours or so.
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Post by zisssou on Oct 23, 2024 7:48:47 GMT
£15 for 3 hours is right on the edge of being a bit pants. Don't they mean The Lake House? There's also Night Springs, which was about 3 hours too.
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Post by harrypalmer on Oct 23, 2024 8:06:25 GMT
Ah right, that's actually good then!
After I finished the main game I saw the first DLC was £15, assumed this was another £15 on top.
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Post by Duffmangb on Oct 23, 2024 8:33:12 GMT
I finished in one seating (about 3 hours). There is quite a bit of reading, but I think I got an achievement for reading them all (some achievement popped up when I looked at one towards the end, so assume I got all of them). It takes a while to crank up the action, but there is a fair amount of it when it does kick in, so I thought it was reasonably balanced. Certainly more of an explore'em-up for the first half. I liked it overall, but did find some of the combat to be a tad frustrating at times. Interesting that the best of the episodes in the last DLC was the combat heavy one, but here I have to put the annoyances down to the tight corridors and maybe the reliance on just the pistol for much it. The new enemies are creepy, but also have a habit of jumping out at you from nowhere and knocking off a chunk of health. There is a boss that closes out the DLC, which is similar to the main game in not being great and a bit of a pain. Once I got into a rhythm with them though, they weren't too bad. Storywise, I thought the self contained elements were pretty well done and I enjoyed the rivalry between the two Marmonts. It fits in reasonably nicely with AW2, but I was surprised there wasn't more connections with Control and its sequel. There are some (literal) flashes to what I expect is referencing the sequel at the end, but not much more beyond Darling popping up once or twice and references to The Old House being in lockdown. So, if you are Control fan, but not an Alan Wake fan you probably won't miss much by sitting this one out. Tonally, it also sticks quite closely to a claustrophobic horror vibe, so that with the shortish running time doesn't leave much room for fun little moments like the We Sing chapter from the main game. Overall, I don't think it quite hits the heights of the best bits from the previous DLC or the main game, but it is better than the weaker points. Well worth playing if you liked the original game, but not worth it if you were indifferent or didn't like the rest. I'm closing in to the end and sadly have to say I'm very underwhelmed. I think the only dlc I had actual fun with and enjoyed was the Rose one. I did enjoy the actual main game a lot though.
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Post by wunty on Oct 23, 2024 8:34:02 GMT
Made a start on The Final Draft this morning. Not sure how far I've got to go in the base game until I can access the DLC. Might be a wee while. That's okay though. As much as I want to see it, I think if I do it, I might then not bother with a new playthrough of the base game, and I kind of want to. So I'm just going to be patient and enjoy the game again. Equally, I'm not sure if I'll bother with the Night Springs segments but I guess I'll see what mood I'm in when I stumble across them.
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Post by Duffmangb on Oct 23, 2024 9:12:41 GMT
Completed The Lake House, as I said earlier very underwhelmed. Took me around 3.5 hours. 4/10
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Post by Mark1412 on Oct 27, 2024 22:12:34 GMT
Yeah, that was genuinely shit. Wrote in the what are you playing thread but take out the story and awesome environments and characters and vibe and detective angle and replace it all with Control environments, but without the Control combat, and you've got the worst parts of both games with so little weight behind anything it feels like one very small step up from horse armour. What were those enemies as well? Properly rubbish.
Last trophy was bugged as well so 98% and that's soured it even more.
2/10. 1 point for keeping it mercifully short and another on behalf Alan: he's no longer the worst character in his own game, so that's nice. I'm being generous though, I didn't like a single thing about it.
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Post by baihu1983 on Oct 28, 2024 7:06:28 GMT
Yeah going back to this to try and finish it and they really forgot what this game was called. Wakes shit and the lack of Barry is crazy.
The constant loops and changing the scenes to progress just slows everything down. And whoever thought all those lame jumpscares would be fun should be fired. After the 4th I was done with them.
Shame as I still love Alan Wake and American Nightmare.
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Oct 28, 2024 7:36:25 GMT
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Post by dfunked on Oct 28, 2024 7:36:25 GMT
Didn't they tone the jump scares down massively. At launch it was pretty much take 2 steps aaaaand JUMP SCARE!!!
It just ended up being ridiculously annoying rather than scary.
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Oct 28, 2024 7:50:08 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on Oct 28, 2024 7:50:08 GMT
You can adjust it but I think it just slows them down and maybe lowers the noise rather than make them less frequent.
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Post by zisssou on Oct 28, 2024 9:30:33 GMT
Yeah, that was genuinely shit. Wrote in the what are you playing thread but take out the story and awesome environments and characters and vibe and detective angle and replace it all with Control environments, but without the Control combat, and you've got the worst parts of both games with so little weight behind anything it feels like one very small step up from horse armour. What were those enemies as well? Properly rubbish. Last trophy was bugged as well so 98% and that's soured it even more. 2/10. 1 point for keeping it mercifully short and another on behalf Alan: he's no longer the worst character in his own game, so that's nice. I'm being generous though, I didn't like a single thing about it. That is a shame, as I really enjoyed Night Springs.
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Oct 28, 2024 9:39:46 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 28, 2024 9:39:46 GMT
I don't think it is anywhere near as bad as that. If I were to give it a rating, I would probably settle on 6/10 (with the main game being 7.5/10 and Night Springs being maybe the same or an 8/10). Thought the story you uncover, both the overt text and the sub-text, was really good. It was also kind of cool to see the Control brutalist aesthetics in the Alan Wake world (Mark seems to say Control environments are bad, which I can't agree with at all).
The gunplay isn't great, but that was never the strong point of Alan Wake 2. The puzzles aren't great either. So, if you are really hoping for strong game play then this could be a disappointment. I think if you like the storytelling in AW2 then it is well worth your time.
I would also say it is a bit underwhelming that this was the last bit of AW2 we got.
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Post by Mark1412 on Oct 28, 2024 12:30:08 GMT
No, no, I loved Control and the environments suited it. But they don't work here for me, and the reliance on narrative delivered by upward of 40 text docs over a two hour run time killed any engagement I had with whatever narrative was there. I get there were likely budget issues, but I'd have rather had nothing.
I really liked the main game, so I think I was expecting far, far more than they ever planned on delivering and was disappointed.
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Oct 28, 2024 13:01:59 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 28, 2024 13:01:59 GMT
Alan Wake 2 is a curious game, one where I had more fun playing Saga than I did the main character. I felt his sections meandered on for far too long and things throughout the game where the devs got carried away with repeating one clever thing again and again until it became tedious such as the screaming and the mind palace. I think if it was a bit shorter and a bit more tighter it could have been more successful. Strangely for a Remedy game I thought the combat was quite poor
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 28, 2024 14:54:12 GMT
Yeah, so I've actually had this pretty much since launch but never got around to sitting down and playing it properly -- was only up to the initial sections with Alan after completing the first few bits with Saga. Having now finished SH2 Remake, I thought it'd move onto this, and the DLC/deluxe upgrade was also half-price on Epic for Halloween so I picked that up too.
Got to say, despite generally liking the tone/aesthetic/setting etc., I can already feel a nagging sense of tedium for the re-writing of scenes mechanic. Bit annoyed with myself, really, as I'm usually quite charitable about these things, especially if it's at least trying to do something different in a genre or IP I've a soft spot for, but I finished up the early underground/cult hideout section, expected the narrative to shift back to Saga, but was put straight back into another Alan episode, so I just turned it off for now lol.
I'll give it another go at the weekend. Combat still feels quite sub-par to me, as it did in the original game, but possibly just need to give it some more time. The game does look good, mind. Would like to get back to the town with Saga.
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Oct 28, 2024 14:59:07 GMT
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Post by Mark1412 on Oct 28, 2024 14:59:07 GMT
Worth sticking with it for Saga. You end up playing as her more and it's obvious Remedy know that she's a better character, and has the better story, mechanics, settings, enemies... Everything. That said, Alan's sections in the middle are great.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 28, 2024 15:09:40 GMT
Yeah, so I've actually had this pretty much since launch but never got around to sitting down and playing it properly -- was only up to the initial sections with Alan after completing the first few bits with Saga. Having now finished SH2 Remake, I thought it'd move onto this, and the DLC/deluxe upgrade was also half-price on Epic for Halloween so I picked that up too. Got to say, despite generally liking the tone/aesthetic/setting etc., I can already feel a nagging sense of tedium for the re-writing of scenes mechanic. Bit annoyed with myself, really, as I'm usually quite charitable about these things, especially if it's at least trying to do something different in a genre or IP I've a soft spot for, but I finished up the early underground/cult hideout section, expected the narrative to shift back to Saga, but was put straight back into another Alan episode, so I just turned it off for now lol. I'll give it another go at the weekend. Combat still feels quite sub-par to me, as it did in the original game, but possibly just need to give it some more time. The game does look good, mind. Would like to get back to the town with Saga. It lets you jump back and forth as you want (mostly), so you probably can go straight back to Saga. There are some good moments in the Alan sections and definitely plenty of atmospheric pieces that work well. The area can be a bit tedious though and there is a little more variety in the Saga sections. Combat is a bit rubbish, so I wouldn't expect you to like it the more you play (although, weirdly, the combat heavy section of the DLC is great despite this).
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Post by wunty on Oct 28, 2024 15:16:26 GMT
Alan Wake 2 is a curious game, one where I had more fun playing Saga than I did the main character. I felt his sections meandered on for far too long and things throughout the game where the devs got carried away with repeating one clever thing again and again until it became tedious such as the screaming and the mind palace. I think if it was a bit shorter and a bit more tighter it could have been more successful. Strangely for a Remedy game I thought the combat was quite poor It's a very curious game. I really like it, but not for any gameplay reasons. It also drags in places and there's a LOT I don't like. Yet the stuff I like is so fucking good that it kind of overrides the other stuff. What it signifies though is Remedy are in real danger of forgetting to put actual gameplay in, and going too far up their arses. I like their AW/Control universe. It's fun, and they are having fun with it, but there are portions of AW that says they are in danger of having too much fun with it and losing their audience altogether.
This second playthough I'm doing... Over 1hr and 30 mins before there's even any combat. I know they went more for survival horror this time compared to AW's action, but that's not even survival horror. That's walking simulator.
I'm being very critical. I still love it. There's so much to love. Yet this love isn't unconditional.
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Oct 28, 2024 15:58:01 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 28, 2024 15:58:01 GMT
Alan Wake 2 is a curious game, one where I had more fun playing Saga than I did the main character. I felt his sections meandered on for far too long and things throughout the game where the devs got carried away with repeating one clever thing again and again until it became tedious such as the screaming and the mind palace. I think if it was a bit shorter and a bit more tighter it could have been more successful. Strangely for a Remedy game I thought the combat was quite poor It's a very curious game. I really like it, but not for any gameplay reasons. It also drags in places and there's a LOT I don't like. Yet the stuff I like is so fucking good that it kind of overrides the other stuff. What it signifies though is Remedy are in real danger of forgetting to put actual gameplay in, and going too far up their arses. I like their AW/Control universe. It's fun, and they are having fun with it, but there are portions of AW that says they are in danger of having too much fun with it and losing their audience altogether.
This second playthough I'm doing... Over 1hr and 30 mins before there's even any combat. I know they went more for survival horror this time compared to AW's action, but that's not even survival horror. That's walking simulator.
I'm being very critical. I still love it. There's so much to love. Yet this love isn't unconditional.
I stopped myself from writing but you've said it for me regarding disappearing up their own arses. I like their stuff a lot but there's a clear difference between this and Control. One is where the gameplay was just standout and so confident with what it was doing that it just let it speak for itself and the other is where it's in ever so much danger of huffing its own farts and saying "look how clever we are".
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 28, 2024 16:15:00 GMT
Definitely true and I think if Control 2 comes along and goes for a similar vibe then that well would run dry very quickly.
Plus, looking at just game play, Control felt like a great combination of the Quantum Break powers with the fluidity of Max Payne's combat. I don't think you can accuse Remedy of not knowing how to make an action game after Control (and their first game was Max Payne, so you can't go far with that argument). They wanted something different with AW2 and they stuck with that, for better and worse.
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