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Post by Psiloc on Jun 25, 2023 10:13:17 GMT
Loving this so far. Just got to the first open area and was immediately reminded of XII.
But, erm, where is the minimap?
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Post by hicksy on Jun 25, 2023 10:20:06 GMT
Not allowed one sorry… design team wants you to experience the map rather than gps it. Get your old school map out the boot of the car and compass on your phone… you’ll be fine!
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Post by Frog on Jun 25, 2023 11:06:13 GMT
Press the touchpad for the map, can't say if it works outside of towns though
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 25, 2023 13:01:42 GMT
Yeah it does. Annoying not to have it on the screen at all times though. FFXII did the same thing before they fixed it in the zodiac release
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Post by SpiralScratch on Jun 25, 2023 15:37:35 GMT
Hmmm started out with Graphics mode after reading the DF analysis and I've been generally agnostic about 30fps/60fps in other things, but some reason Graphics feels really off during open world movement, it's jarring almost to the point of motion sickness. In combat, not a problem. Switched to Performance and it's much more comfortable. Either something is particularly hinky with movement in Graphics mode, or it's just me I'm coming to it too accustomed to higher frame rate in other games recently, I dunno.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jun 25, 2023 15:48:56 GMT
Feels like the motion blur is forced almost as a mask for the frequent frame drops. It's the only negative I can really lob at the game so far. Eikon fights aside, the level of graphical fidelity isn't high enough to justify the slightly choppy performance. I see no reason there couldn't have been a locked 60 mode.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jun 25, 2023 17:25:07 GMT
The side quests up to now are about as simple as it gets gameplay wise but they are adding meaningful flavour and context to the world of the game. They are pretty well done.
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Post by Frog on Jun 25, 2023 19:26:18 GMT
I think the side quests are absolutely awful but I don't care as the main game is so bloody good.
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Post by Tuffty on Jun 25, 2023 20:07:41 GMT
The side quests up to now are about as simple as it gets gameplay wise but they are adding meaningful flavour and context to the world of the game. They are pretty well done. For sure, it's very much like FF14 in that regard which also has plenty of basic fetch quest side missions but are used to flesh out the setting a bit more. But with FF14 you had practically dozens if not hundreds of these fetch quests when here it's more contained cause the areas are smaller. I think the take away from the side quests are is is the added context to the world and not in any meaningful rewards. If that's not for you then I can see how they're disappointing. However, like in FF14, any side quests which have a + icon next to them are the ones you should absolutely persue as they give actual meaningful upgrades
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jun 25, 2023 21:04:54 GMT
Haven't been able to put it down all weekend. Only thing that's going to stop this being a 10/10 for me is if the story tails off badly or feels rushed. Narrative hasn't been as strong in the main series since at least FFX.
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 26, 2023 10:07:02 GMT
The side quests up to now are about as simple as it gets gameplay wise but they are adding meaningful flavour and context to the world of the game. They are pretty well done. For sure, it's very much like FF14 in that regard which also has plenty of basic fetch quest side missions but are used to flesh out the setting a bit more. But with FF14 you had practically dozens if not hundreds of these fetch quests when here it's more contained cause the areas are smaller. I think the take away from the side quests are is is the added context to the world and not in any meaningful rewards. If that's not for you then I can see how they're disappointing. However, like in FF14, any side quests which have a + icon next to them are the ones you should absolutely persue as they give actual meaningful upgrades The side quests so far are pure filler, but to a certain extent, that's all they have to be. I remember during the negative reaction to FFXV's linear "second half" (more like final hour or so) I said that part of the problem was that there were no side quests in Altissia or Insomnia, and that even a few fetch/kill quests here or there, basic as they are, would have made a huge difference (in the end they actually implemented this amongst other things with the Royal Edition). That the same goes for FFXIII goes without saying. While it was never in doubt that this one would have side quests considering the developers worked on ARR, I'm not complaining too much since the series has form for forgetting to put any in at all.
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 26, 2023 10:07:57 GMT
Haven't been able to put it down all weekend. Only thing that's going to stop this being a 10/10 for me is if the story tails off badly or feels rushed. Narrative hasn't been as strong in the main series since at least FFX. This is exactly where I am with it. Unless it drops the ball at some point, it's a banger
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 26, 2023 10:32:42 GMT
As for the diversity thing, no spoilers, but the story they're telling could definitely have had them decide to "stay the FUCK away from any racial angle".
Rightly or wrongly they could have bet on the "lack of representation" backlash being smaller than if they accidentally put a foot wrong.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jun 26, 2023 11:00:11 GMT
Yep, the more I play it the more I feel like it's intentionally keeping away from a very obvious historical connection to slavery. I went through a series of sidequests that really tapped into this side of the world lore yesterday and I immediately thought to myself "Good job none of these characters are bla..... Ohhhhhhh".
Obviously that isn't a catch all excuse for a lack of diversity across the board but I can definitely see why it might have played into things somewhat.
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Post by The12thMonkey on Jun 26, 2023 15:40:34 GMT
Yep, the more I play it the more I feel like it's intentionally keeping away from a very obvious historical connection to slavery. I went through a series of sidequests that really tapped into this side of the world lore yesterday and I immediately thought to myself "Good job none of these characters are bla..... Ohhhhhhh". Obviously that isn't a catch all excuse for a lack of diversity across the board but I can definitely see why it might have played into things somewhat. I had this thought, too. And I agree it can't be all of the reason, but I wonder if it played into their thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 15:49:42 GMT
See. I don’t know if it’s a good excuse at all. The black characters don’t need to be slaves at all, even if the story deals with slavery. If they’re really going with “historically accurate representation of medieval Europe,” there were slaves of all ethnic backgrounds in those days, including those with ethnic origins of the country they’re indebted to. The “slavery = black people” thing is more of a New World/Americas trope, and if you’re representing Europe, you don’t need to stick to that. You could’ve made your black or Arab characters merchants, kings, soldiers, dominants, bards, whatever.
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 26, 2023 16:05:50 GMT
The problem is that Twitter exists. A game about slavery yet mysteriously none of the slaves are POC? That's whitewashing, you're trying to deny history. Or the liberal snowflakes are kowtowing. Some slaves are black? Well that outrage writes itself.
Again I'm not saying "ah ha! Here's the reason." I just think it could have been a small factor.
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Post by Tuffty on Jun 26, 2023 16:19:17 GMT
That's an issue onto itself that obviously needs a careful approach but there's no reason why someone like say, Gav, couldn't have been a POC. Have some representation, if all we are going with is fantasy racism like elves in The Witcher, then it shouldn't be an issue.
Though reading a thread about it on ResetEra and the topic of conversation shifted from this topic into "Should people from North Africa or Middle East be counted as POC?"
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Jun 26, 2023 16:20:18 GMT
Anyone with even a passing interest in fictional history knows that the imaginary kingdom of Valisthea had no pretend brown people.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jun 26, 2023 16:57:25 GMT
I honestly couldn't say how I could change things effectively myself short of a total re-write. Without meaning offense, if POC are just all in the background and play no significant role in the core theme of the story; would it be easy for people to say it's just tokenism? The more I play the more it feels like they've gone so far out of their way to avoid offense, they've almost created a little bit of it by proxy.
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Post by Warrender on Jun 27, 2023 12:36:52 GMT
Anyone else getting Witcher English VA vibes from the main protagonist? More specifically, Henry Cavill's take on Doug Cockle's performance.
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Post by Tuffty on Jun 27, 2023 12:42:21 GMT
I like Clives voice, it's not all gruff and tumble there's flashes of emotion in there too when it calls for it. The voice actor seems like a nice enough guy too, anyone that knows and liked Chained Echoes is pretty cool.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jun 27, 2023 12:44:07 GMT
Voice acting across the board has been brilliant but Ralph Ineson steals every scene he's in.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 27, 2023 13:26:13 GMT
Voice acting across the board has been brilliant but Ralph Ineson steals every scene he's in. Because he's a bloody good rep!
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jun 27, 2023 13:31:55 GMT
One up the bum, no harm done.
/lights cigar
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 27, 2023 13:54:28 GMT
While you're down there love
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 27, 2023 14:11:05 GMT
Without meaning offense, if POC are just all in the background and play no significant role in the core theme of the story; would it be easy for people to say it's just tokenism? Well, I suppose this is kind of the point. Your fictional kingdom filled with magic users and dragons could just as easily be populated entirely by black people. Would a white NPC be a token? Why is 'all white' the default setting for completely made up stories?
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Post by Frog on Jun 27, 2023 14:16:05 GMT
There are loads of black characters but they are all wearing full plate armour.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jun 27, 2023 15:20:02 GMT
Not in disagreement at all, I can just also see why the theme's strong connotations to real world historical events could have resulted in a well meaning faux pas.
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Post by Humperfunk on Jun 27, 2023 20:22:03 GMT
I know it's been said a lot but needs to be said again, fuck me the boss fights in this are good. Got me on my feet a few times! Epic, best boss battles since Bayonetta for me.
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