aubergine
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Post by aubergine on Jan 13, 2023 13:48:13 GMT
People have been losing their minds over Hasbro - who are effectively the Disney of toys and games at this point, in that they bought fucking everything - wanting to change the decades old Dungeons and Dragons Open Gaming License to bring about some kind of apocalypse. It’s worth reading the comment on the Eurogamer articles as some longer posts spell out much more detail about why people are apeshit about it. I only got interested in DnD a few years ago in 2019, but I’ve not played all that much given we were in lockdown for two years or so. I’m not sure that it would affect me personally at all, but it’s interesting to see a douchebag corporation eat itself. www.eurogamer.net/wizards-of-the-coast-faces-backlash-over-planned-changes-to-how-it-monetises-third-party-content#comments |
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Post by neilch on Jan 13, 2023 14:00:34 GMT
Yeah, I've backed a couple of kickstarter projects for hardback books that potentially wouldn't be possible now. I'm not keen on VTT and subscription stuff so I'll probably stick at 5e
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Post by EMarkM on Jan 13, 2023 14:57:54 GMT
I’ve been following all this on Reddit and YouTube (you know: all the quality outlets!), and, as someone who currently plays 5e with all official content and additional stuff just out of my own head, I don’t feel that it affects me directly as much as it does other fans.
I am conscious, though, that it may have a detrimental impact on many of the creators I enjoy, and am also starting to see how it feels like another “big guy hurts the little guy” thing for no other reason than greed.
Bit of background on my own situation, though: as a creator myself, I feel very strongly about things like piracy, and also have no time for people who whinge about things like DRM because “it takes away muh rights”. No, it doesn’t: take a look at your “rights” properly!
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Post by BeetrootBertie on Jan 13, 2023 15:50:46 GMT
I don't really have an issue with Hasbr/WotC wanting some sort of royalties for 3rd Party content that uses their IP or anything trademarked etc (if that's the case here) - seems fair on some level, if it wasn't for the pre-existing Open Game License and what that already allowed for.
It's the part where (if they go ahead with the terms of the leaked doc) they can terminate the license within 30 days from any 3rd party, and also have an irrevocable, permanent license to use any 3rd party content created under this new OGL as they see fit, that gets me. They could take any 3rd party work and repackage it as their own or fold other people's work into their own without any acknowledgment or compensation. This seems particularly underhand, unless I've misunderstood what I've read/heard.
Be interesting to see if they walk back on any of this or if they've shot themselves in the foot. It seems to have blown up the minute but I wonder how many players it would really affect and how many might shift loyalties based on principle etc? I can't imagine casual players wanting to move to another system if they can help it.
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EMarkM
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Post by EMarkM on Jan 13, 2023 17:21:29 GMT
I can't imagine casual players wanting to move to another system if they can help it. Yes, at this stage, and until I can appreciate any wider impact, it does rather feel like the “angry vocal minority of the video gaming community” situation. |
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Post by technoish on Jan 13, 2023 19:20:28 GMT
Yeah getting a cut from those over a certain size making a profit seems quite reasonable.
Immediately owning anybody's user made content is awful.
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Post by BeetrootBertie on Jan 13, 2023 22:17:50 GMT
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aubergine
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Post by aubergine on Jan 14, 2023 0:28:44 GMT
Sounds pretty reasonable tbh.
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Post by zagibu on Jan 14, 2023 9:45:21 GMT
Bit of background on my own situation, though: as a creator myself, I feel very strongly about things like piracy, and also have no time for people who whinge about things like DRM because “it takes away muh rights”. No, it doesn’t: take a look at your “rights” properly! If you don't want people to copy the data you are sending to their computers, don't send the data. There is no other option. |
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Post by Warrender on Jan 15, 2023 11:50:51 GMT
Surprised to see LegalEagle release a video about this subject.
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Post by Chopsen on Jan 15, 2023 12:35:00 GMT
Interesting video that.
So nerds are being a bunch of hysterical toddlers? Again.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jan 15, 2023 13:05:22 GMT
It's such a strange product as a business proposition. I can see how "hey kids, buy the sourcebooks, but after that you can make all your own adventures with the power of your imagination!" would not make the bean counters very happy. Aside from new editions and whatnot, it feels like it'd be pretty hard to keep people buying things.
(not that this justifies anything, it's just a random thought I had)
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aubergine
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Post by aubergine on Jan 21, 2023 6:00:36 GMT
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EMarkM
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Post by EMarkM on Jan 21, 2023 10:22:30 GMT
All the usual crowd are still very suspicious. I have to repeat myself (although I might not have said it here; can’t remember) : none of this, on the surface, affects me directly. Some of the protesting does feel like hangers-on scared of losing their own income. But, I do get the resentment: D ‘n’ D has had its success increased massively by some of the third party creators. |
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