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Sept 7, 2021 10:25:25 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 10:25:25 GMT
Re: lightning reversals: I believe you can also catch it and charge it in the air with L1 then release it with R1 before you land. If you've unlocked mid-air blocking. Gives a marginally bigger window if there is a struggle to get the R1 deflect with it. The game actually tells you that and that's what I was doing at first, til my son said "eh, why aren't you just hitting R1 instead of L1 then R1". So that's what I did and in all honesty didn't notice any disadvantage. Odd.
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Sept 7, 2021 10:26:09 GMT
Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 7, 2021 10:26:09 GMT
I seeeee. If you still struggle for a while, maybe try backing off and baiting out the lightning attack then. I seem to remember his final phase (and one of a later boss) being pretty short due to lightning abuse
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Sekiro
Sept 7, 2021 10:31:51 GMT
Post by Phattso on Sept 7, 2021 10:31:51 GMT
I think the point about Prayer Beads is a good one. A sliver more health or posture and I'd have had him done 20 attempts back. That or Git Gud, obvs. I've reached the point where if he gets more than a single hit in the first phase I let him kill me, and two in the second. I have the life steal on Deathblow thing and some healing upgrades, so that gets me back to full health for the final phase (where I'm fucked if I've ever been able to heal). What's great (/awful) is that it's now so rote that I don't even get an adrenaline surge during this fight. I'm just programmed to react to certain animations or sounds, and I play it out as best I can.
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Sept 7, 2021 10:39:15 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 10:39:15 GMT
You will of course pick up more gourd seeds if you explore as well, giving you more heals. So there's another incentive.
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Sept 7, 2021 10:39:57 GMT
Post by Phattso on Sept 7, 2021 10:39:57 GMT
I'm trying to do this one with as few as possible - I already have four. If I need to heal more than that I definitely haven't nailed the tactics for the fight correctly. :-D
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Sept 7, 2021 10:40:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 10:40:56 GMT
You say that, but it's always nice to have more magic juice.
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Sept 7, 2021 10:42:09 GMT
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Post by bichii on Sept 7, 2021 10:42:09 GMT
Yeah, dunno why I put land in there. I've not yet pulled one of because I'm so up in his grill he barely gets to use the lightning at all anyways. His first phase as almost exclusively mikiri counter. Second phase almost also swipe/jump counter. Third phase always starts with mikiri. He has that grab move as well be doesn't seem to do it often and has a very different animation to the other perilous attacks. His lightening attacks all have a decent build up so you don't need to panic. So jump slightly later than you think, block and then immediately attack in the air before you land. Does large posture damage and leaves him open to a few attacks. You can also dodge through his lightening attacks though if you prefer. In all phases stay close to him. You can usually get two attacks that he blocks and then he will parry so that's your turn to parry. In the third phase giving him a little bit of space usually will trigger a lightening attack which is what you want really. If he keeps lightening attacking you can end that phase in no time at all. I wouldn't worry too much about which combat art as he doesn't have that many windows to execute a ichimonji strike like a lot of bosses.
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Sekiro
Sept 7, 2021 10:42:36 GMT
Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 7, 2021 10:42:36 GMT
I'm like that. Hate beating a boss because I burned through all my health items. I usually keep my health quite low in From games. It's more satisfying, plus if I've got low health, I tend to play better. More health just means I can afford to be more sloppy and I probably will be
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Sept 7, 2021 11:13:52 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 11:13:52 GMT
IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE MORE MAGIC JUICE
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Sept 7, 2021 11:15:44 GMT
Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 7, 2021 11:15:44 GMT
That's another good thing about DS2. Life seeds (or gems or whatever, can't remember). Who needs estus!
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Sept 7, 2021 11:20:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 11:20:53 GMT
I need to heal like a motherfucker in these games. I'll take whatever I can get.
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Sept 7, 2021 12:09:14 GMT
Post by Phattso on Sept 7, 2021 12:09:14 GMT
Thanks again for all the tips on the phases, but for the record: I know it. All of it. My only issue is hooking up my eyes and ears to my fingers on the controller. I'm back to barely being able to get the first deathblow in so I think I've just reached boredom with this guy now. I'll take the suggestions and walk around some other areas for a bit.
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Sekiro
Sept 7, 2021 12:16:14 GMT
Post by Matt A on Sept 7, 2021 12:16:14 GMT
Respect to anybody that completes this. Dark Souls could be made easy, in that there is a ratio between leveraging equipment and levelling up and player skill, so as to give you a trajectory to follow in order to make the game, as I say, easier. Seems like Sekiro is skewed towards skill.
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Sept 7, 2021 12:23:42 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 12:23:42 GMT
If it makes anyone else feel better, my 11yo son completed this in about two weeks including the demon of hatred.
I know. It made me feel like shit as well.
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Sekiro
Sept 7, 2021 12:24:09 GMT
Post by Duffking on Sept 7, 2021 12:24:09 GMT
I'm still on Genichiro, didn't get too much time on this over the weekend. I've had him down to a sliver of Posture in the final phase about half a dozen times now but I just can't get the fucker over the line. Must be on 30 or 40 attempts now, I don't know why I'm seesawing so much. One attempt I'll get to the final phase without taking a hit. The very next attempt I won't even get the first deathblow in. I think the common feature in my successful runs is that he does a lot of thrusts that can be Mikiri countered and ends up backed into a corner. When that doesn't happen I get reamed - so it's almost RNG for me in that my humble skills *need* him to only do thrust attacks and get backed into a corner. I've still (mostly) enjoyed those 30-40 attempts, but if this is the shape of the game for my skill level I think I'm probably going to have to hang up my Firecrackers after this fight. Genichiro is basically your "have you been paying attention" exam. If you can beat him you are good enough to beat the rest.
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Sept 7, 2021 14:06:36 GMT
Post by Phattso on Sept 7, 2021 14:06:36 GMT
What's annoying is that I *know* that I can, I just can't put together one attempt that strings it all together. I've been really good about being RIGHT UP in the grill of every fucker so far, including Lady Butterfly. So it's not like I'm turtling. I just might be too slow. I can absolutely cream the standard enemies now. Hell, I even did Flaming Bull first time! I feel like I get it, but with this fucker I just can't seal the deal! I've now branched off into the other directions, and at least I'm having fun again rather than boring myself to death again and again against Genichiro. As bastard hard as I'm finding this, Sekiro is easily my favourite of the From games so far. Granted I noped out of the last four pretty early because I HATE obtuse UI and "mystique" masquerading as a worthwhile story. But Sekiro doesn't have any of that baggage - it's just a fun world to be in, combat that doesn't waste your time, but sadly with occasional bollock-grinding bosses.
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Sept 7, 2021 17:52:16 GMT
Post by JonFE on Sept 7, 2021 17:52:16 GMT
@wuntyate : Thank you for the suggestions, will certainly try some of that for a change of pace, smashing my face against Genichiro I mean
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Post by Phattso on Sept 7, 2021 19:05:42 GMT
Well, I'm my own worst enemy. After mildly faffing about and finding another four or five Sculptor's Idols I whizzed back to Genichiro and banged my head against him for another 20 minutes.
Gen. Ichi. Ro. Down.
On the victorious run I used healing twice in the second normal phase. It was kinda cool, I hadn't gotten lucky in the opening salvo so I backed up, healed up, reset, and went again. Whizzed all the way through, and the final form barely got a hit in. I also caught and returned the lightning for the first time. Didn't need any revives at all. So yeah: two gourds; three phases; no revives. FUCK YOU, GENICHIRO! FUCK YOU HARD!
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Sept 7, 2021 21:50:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 21:50:03 GMT
Awesome man well done!
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Sept 7, 2021 21:51:37 GMT
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Post by damagedinc on Sept 7, 2021 21:51:37 GMT
Loved this game, I hope we get another but not sure it will happen. Bloodborne and sekiro they're best post dark souls by far.
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Sept 7, 2021 21:55:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 21:55:37 GMT
I had a quick try at one of the gauntlets but Inner Genichiro destroys me.
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Sept 8, 2021 6:48:41 GMT
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Post by bichii on Sept 8, 2021 6:48:41 GMT
I had a quick try at one of the gauntlets but Inner Genichiro destroys me. Haha inner genichiro and inner isshin you must be able to deflect. You can't block their new combos.
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Sept 8, 2021 10:04:19 GMT
Post by Phattso on Sept 8, 2021 10:04:19 GMT
I wonder if I've been making life harder for myself: the only time I've consciously used block was during the Lady Butterfly fight when she'd lob a handful of shuriken at me. Would Genichiro have been easier if I'd blocked rather than deflected the whole time? How would you build up the posture guage without deflecting? Just a lot more slowly?
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Sept 8, 2021 10:13:13 GMT
Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 8, 2021 10:13:13 GMT
Blocking is just a poorly timed deflect? There's a mode you can do on NG+ that adds chip damage to blocks, so timing is more crucial
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Sept 8, 2021 10:16:30 GMT
Post by Phattso on Sept 8, 2021 10:16:30 GMT
I thought blocking was holding down L1, whereas deflecting was tapping it at just the right moment. They're quite different inputs. One isn't a poorly timed version of the other, I think?
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Sept 8, 2021 10:19:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 10:19:19 GMT
Yes they are quite different. It's worth noting that you can still deflect whilst blocking and actually the book recommends that blocking is your default when going in to any confrontation. You can still deflect from there by tapping L1 like you would normally, but by starting off and resuming blocking, you're less likely to take damage on a mis-timed deflect, as well as reducing your posture far quickly as the result of said blocking. Basically, blocking is far more useful than you would think. I didn't block at all through my first playthrough but blocked (in addition to all my deflecting) a lot more this time and...it works. bichii Yeah, I'm actually not too bad on the deflecting to be honest. Only tried him once or twice. I just need to get used to his new moves. I'll practice him a fair bit and when I'm ready I'll run the gauntlet again. I can get past horse twat and butterfly easy enough, but I'd rather practice Inner Genichiro seperately as it's still a apain going through those two first every time.
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Sept 8, 2021 10:19:43 GMT
Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 8, 2021 10:19:43 GMT
I suppose what I mean is, you should only really be deflecting most of the time anyway. I can't think of any instances where you could only block, and not deflect, an attack
I did try the chip damage run (got about 3/4 of the way through) and you take 1/3 damage from an attack, even if you block it. So relying on blocking is much less of an option there
bichii posted a video a while back of her fighting the ape, she just waited for the parries and timed them dead on. That's how I'd tend to do it, it feels good. Bear in mind I've finished that game a couple of times, which is where I'm coming from. Not meaning to sound like a snob
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Sept 8, 2021 10:22:18 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 10:22:18 GMT
It's quite useful to block an enemy that regains posture quickly, until you have whittled down their vitality enough for them to take proper posture damage. The likes of Owl regains his posture so fast at the beginning it's better to block and attack his first third or so health, and then focus on your deflecting. At that point the risk and reward pays off. Until then you're not deflecting enough to hammer his posture.
Obviously that doesn't account for when you're good enough to hammer his posture constantly and break him even if he has full vitality, but that's the theory behind it.
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Sekiro
Sept 8, 2021 10:23:01 GMT
Post by Phattso on Sept 8, 2021 10:23:01 GMT
OK, so I haven't been making it harder for myself. This is great news. I've now got two paths open to me: Senpou Temple, where I've already rinsed a bunch of monks, and Sunken Something where I've already rinsed a bunch of primates. Is there a sensible order to these two, or just run both to their respective boss encounters and suck it and see?
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Sept 8, 2021 11:00:04 GMT
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Post by bichii on Sept 8, 2021 11:00:04 GMT
As kind of said above the most useful thing about block and pretty much the only time I now use it is to regain my posture. Only other time is handy if you quickly realised you've messed up the timing of some big enemy combo and perhaps it will be safer to just hold block. Otherwise deflect and counters/jump counters all the way. Some bosses forward diagonal dodges work really well to avoid getting hid but mainly to position yourself for a powerful counter strike as generally the boss won't block these.
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