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Post by senso on Sept 11, 2024 14:23:12 GMT
Quick question: are all GPU manufacturers considered (roughly) equal? Overclockers are doing some RTX 40 series deals at the moment and they've dropped a Gainward 4070 Super down to £520, which is some of the cheapest I've seen. Are Gainward a reliable GPU manufacturer?
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Post by captbirdseye on Sept 11, 2024 14:33:34 GMT
All much of muchness these days, but it depends if you care about noise/temps, warranty and power limits. Oh, and MSI, Asus and FE etc are tier above this in terms of build quality.
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Post by rftp on Sept 11, 2024 14:36:24 GMT
Dunno if it's a factor with your son Dougs, but I would say getting a PC might inspire him in ways beyond gaming, i.e. programming and tinkering etc. My career can easily be traced back to my pa getting us a PC all those years ago. Pretty amazing thinking about how much of my knowledge nowadays, especially compared to peers, I just absorbed through years of using my home PC. Mind you, PC and OSes are way more stable these days so perhaps digging into Device Manager and throwing in terminal commands isn't really required just to keep your gaming habit strong. You can always install a slightly less polished Linux variant if you want to dig deep into all that stuff on a regular basis! |
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Post by Tomo on Sept 11, 2024 15:22:45 GMT
Quick question: are all GPU manufacturers considered (roughly) equal? Overclockers are doing some RTX 40 series deals at the moment and they've dropped a Gainward 4070 Super down to £520, which is some of the cheapest I've seen. Are Gainward a reliable GPU manufacturer? Also think it's much of a muchness. Tbh, I've never really understood why people pay extra whack for another 5-10% performance or whatever with an OC model or equivalent. There are SO many tiers of GPU nowadays, IMO you're better off just investing in the next tier of GPU rather than a buying a tweaked variant of a lower tier GPU from a 'strong' brand. |
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Post by uiruki on Sept 11, 2024 15:23:55 GMT
I remember Gainward because their high end cards were called 'golden sample'. I know that's an actual term but come on.
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Post by captbirdseye on Sept 11, 2024 15:41:29 GMT
I have seen the 7900 xtx around the £550 mark which is better value for money than the 4070.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 11, 2024 16:22:19 GMT
Yeah, don't worry about the manufacturer. Just get the one that is the cheapest you can get. Yes, some manufacturers might eek out a bit more performance, but it is always negligible and only going to give extra frames that are countable on one hand. Spending a bit more get you a quieter fan setup, but, again, isn't going to make that much of difference.
Think Gainward is on the cheaper end of the card manufacturers, but don't think I've ever seen anyone complain about them.
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Post by dfunked on Sept 11, 2024 16:23:37 GMT
uiruki - didn't they play into it with their advertising too? I vaguely recall a nurse themed advert in one of the PC mags yonks ago.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 11, 2024 16:25:37 GMT
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 11, 2024 18:18:52 GMT
All much of muchness these days, but it depends if you care about noise/temps, warranty and power limits. Oh, and MSI, Asus and FE etc are tier above this in terms of build quality. however Asus not so much on the warranty stuff |
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Post by Dougs on Sept 11, 2024 18:53:36 GMT
Tomo cheers, missed this. He showed no interest whatsoever in computer studies the last 2 years but you never know! He's a smart fucker so I have no doubt he could get it no worries. Unlike his old man, left scratching my head a lot...
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Post by grey_matters on Sept 11, 2024 19:00:30 GMT
You could go with Chopsen's suggestion of an integrated graphics solution except bump it up to an AM5 system as the 8600G is really pretty good, it should still be close to £400. The benefit being he'll get a PC now and get to learn about all the joys of performance tweaking while continuing his saving for a proper gpu to blow his socks off.
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Post by timmywimmywoo on Sept 11, 2024 19:45:31 GMT
Having built a mini-ITX PC 3 years ago (my first PC build since 2007), I've decided to start a new build ready for a 5-series card - mostly because I want a case with a bit more room, and also because I want to switch from AM4 to AM5.
I'm going ATX this time, and so far I've picked up a Fractal Design North in white with the mesh side (and the delicious-smelling wood on the front), and a 1000W Corsair modular power supply with the sparking holes of joy on the side rather than the back.
I think I'm going to get a 7800X3D, 32GB DDR5 RAM, a 2TB NVME and air cool it.
Currently I've got a Coolermaster NR200 with a 5900X, 3080TI, 32GB RAM and a big air cooler in it. It's great, but I've just got the bug for building PCs… and I want a 5090 without having to chop my case to bits to fit it in.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 12, 2024 5:41:18 GMT
You could go with Chopsen's suggestion of an integrated graphics solution except bump it up to an AM5 system as the 8600G is really pretty good, it should still be close to £400. The benefit being he'll get a PC now and get to learn about all the joys of performance tweaking while continuing his saving for a proper gpu to blow his socks off. That could be a winner I think. He's hoping to get a part time job so would help with a GPU and PSU in due course |
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 12, 2024 5:42:55 GMT
My theory is that if you build enough PCs, you’ll end up building a mini-ITX system, once.
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Post by Tomo on Sept 12, 2024 7:58:18 GMT
My most recent (5th?) build was a mini-ITX. Never going back. I can literally put it in a rucksack. So great.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 12, 2024 8:09:54 GMT
Never built one, not really a fan of them. I'm fairly confident I'll only build one if I'm helping one of my sons and they want one. Ive always built in a bigger cases with this fractal design I'm currently in probably one of the smaller ones I've ever used.
I'm contemplating getting a nzxt flow or Lian li o11 fishtank style case towards the end of this year. Not sure if I'll transplant my current build into it or just start popping stuff in for my next build. Time I moved on from AM4, it'll still be and but the next x3d chip will decide how big of a jump it'll be
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 12, 2024 8:16:46 GMT
My most recent (5th?) build was a mini-ITX. Never going back. I can literally put it in a rucksack. So great. Fair enough if you need to move it regularly. Mine was just for aesthetic purposes, and I had to remove the gpu and heatsink to do anything in there, which was a hassle. Then my AiO cooler started leaking because the tubes were too long. |
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Post by barchetta on Sept 12, 2024 8:42:54 GMT
My first and only build to date used the NZXT H5 Flow case and it was really very easy. Never been bothered with the LED stuff so have the glass panel side against a set of drawers. Nice and dark!
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Post by malek86 on Sept 12, 2024 11:58:01 GMT
So I went and just ordered a 5700X3D in the end. This console generation is probably gonna last a long time anyway, so I shouldn't need to upgrade again for a while. And I felt bad about still having the same CPU for 5 years.
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Post by Tomo on Sept 12, 2024 15:10:37 GMT
I just checked and the 6600K in my mini-ITX behind my telly will be 10 years old next year \o/
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Post by technoish on Sept 12, 2024 17:31:44 GMT
And about to lose access to W10 updates? My i7 7700k is also not W11 compatible :/
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 12, 2024 18:20:11 GMT
I think you can disable all those win11 install requirements.
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Post by X201 on Sept 12, 2024 18:36:51 GMT
I think you can disable all those win11 install requirements. You could bypass them, but Microsoft have now patched it out. I’ve got a PC that could easily last a few more years, but because the motherboard doesn’t have TPM, I need a new build 🤬 |
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Post by malek86 on Sept 12, 2024 18:44:16 GMT
I was tempted to also add an extra 16GB of memory, but it seems to me that 16GB should be enough for this generation, given I don't usually run any extra (such as streaming software) while playing, so I might reserve that upgrade for later. I can still add some if I need anyway. More annoyingly, I'm still running crappy old DDR4-2666mhz. It ought to be super slow by today's standards, but I'm guessing the extra cache on the 3D processors means RAM speed won't be as important?
Anyway, at least they are not 2133mhz. Thank god I splurged a little extra all those years ago... in fact, almost 7 years ago iirc.
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Post by barchetta on Sept 12, 2024 20:05:51 GMT
Just saw Box are knocking £500 of some 4080 Super cards. I'm guessing 50xx release date announcements are imminent?
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Post by Henriksen on Sept 12, 2024 20:26:27 GMT
I think you can disable all those win11 install requirements. You could bypass them, but Microsoft have now patched it out. I’ve got a PC that could easily last a few more years, but because the motherboard doesn’t have TPM, I need a new build 🤬 You can download the ISO direct from Microsoft then use Rufus to create an installation USB that bypasses whatever requirement your system doesn't meet. Don't know if that might cause some funny business with future updates, but it might be worth a go if you don't want to upgrade |
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Post by X201 on Sept 12, 2024 21:07:25 GMT
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 12, 2024 21:17:31 GMT
You could bypass them, but Microsoft have now patched it out. I’ve got a PC that could easily last a few more years, but because the motherboard doesn’t have TPM, I need a new build 🤬 You can download the ISO direct from Microsoft then use Rufus to create an installation USB that bypasses whatever requirement your system doesn't meet. Don't know if that might cause some funny business with future updates, but it might be worth a go if you don't want to upgrade surely you could just acquire an older build of windows and do an install without online connection ? |
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Post by X201 on Sept 12, 2024 21:23:35 GMT
Looks like they've patched Windows 11 itself to check for it after install, so even if you get it running its going to be a case of finding new loopholes to keep it running.
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