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Post by zagibu on Jan 9, 2022 13:57:25 GMT
The drakes in Dark Souls with their never hitting, fight delaying flyover animation were really aggravating me.
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Post by LTK on Jan 9, 2022 14:16:38 GMT
Some sweet justice:
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 9, 2022 14:16:47 GMT
I like the jailers in DS3 (assuming we're talking about the ones with the brands). They're spooky
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Post by LTK on Jan 9, 2022 14:21:44 GMT
Yeah, I was talking about the ones with the fire-spewing lanterns.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 9, 2022 14:27:46 GMT
Yeah, I was talking about the ones with the fire-spewing lanterns. Oh the ones just before Yhorm? Took me ages (and some research) to remember them
I usually just sneak up behind the group. I seem to remember they have a pretty short memory if you just run away
I think the worst enemies have already been mentioned; the dragon arses are reused assets which is worse and they just kill each other. Bit of a stretch to call them a design though
Worst boss would be one of the gimmick ones, they're just boring. Bed of Choas, Wolnir, something like that
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Post by Samildanach on Jan 9, 2022 15:48:32 GMT
Yeah, I was talking about the ones with the fire-spewing lanterns. Oh the ones just before Yhorm? Took me ages (and some research) to remember them
I usually just sneak up behind the group. I seem to remember they have a pretty short memory if you just run away
I think the worst enemies have already been mentioned; the dragon arses are reused assets which is worse and they just kill each other. Bit of a stretch to call them a design though
Worst boss would be one of the gimmick ones, they're just boring. Bed of Choas, Wolnir, something like that
Oh yeah the Bounding Demons of Izalith are definitely the worst in DS. At least they have a turning animation though!
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Post by LTK on Jan 9, 2022 16:04:04 GMT
Gimmick bosses have their place in Dark Souls, there's nothing unusually aggravating about Wolnir and his fight is a great spectacle. I'd rather have a boring fight than one that makes you want to tear your own hair out. Thus I completely agree with Bed of Chaos being one of the worst, even though it's a spectacle on par with Wolnir.
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Post by Danno on Jan 9, 2022 16:36:23 GMT
My shitlist (in no particular order)
BOSSES Maneater(s) Capra Demon Seath - because getting the tailcut can be a total ballache Bed of Chaos Demon of Song - just gross Sinh - weapon breakage is BS Zud and his bro Gael - great fight but it's super intense and feels overtuned with his 10million HP Midir Micolash Ebrietas
TRASH Torch Hollows Dogs. All of them. In every souls game. Basilisks Big Mushroom Boys and their falcon punch Everything in the Dark Chasm of Old Ringed City "angels" Brainsuckers Bloodlickers at Cainhurst Winter Lanterns
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Post by LTK on Jan 9, 2022 17:08:30 GMT
You better watch your mouth, the Big Mushroom Boys are a treasure and I won't hear otherwise!
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 9, 2022 17:33:44 GMT
Gimmick bosses have their place in Dark Souls, there's nothing unusually aggravating about Wolnir and his fight is a great spectacle. I'd rather have a boring fight than one that makes you want to tear your own hair out. Thus I completely agree with Bed of Chaos being one of the worst, even though it's a spectacle on par with Wolnir. Wolnir isn't much of a spectacle though- he was just a big skelly that died in about a minute and left me wondering 'is that it?'
You can do spectacle with proper bosses. Nameless King, Pontif (especially his slow walk towards you at the start). Gael. I don't think gimmick bosses do anything for Dark Souls, it goes against what the game is about
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Post by LTK on Jan 9, 2022 17:40:53 GMT
C'mon, you didn't think the big skelly emerging from the darkness at the beginning and then descending into the abyss at the end was well-designed? He gets points for style at least.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 9, 2022 17:47:15 GMT
My shitlist (in no particular order) BOSSES Maneater(s) Capra Demon Seath - because getting the tailcut can be a total ballache Bed of Chaos Demon of Song - just gross Sinh - weapon breakage is BS Zud and his bro Gael - great fight but it's super intense and feels overtuned with his 10million HP Midir Micolash Ebrietas TRASH Torch Hollows Dogs. All of them. In every souls game. Basilisks Big Mushroom Boys and their falcon punch Everything in the Dark Chasm of Old Ringed City "angels" Brainsuckers Bloodlickers at Cainhurst Winter Lanterns Surprised not to see DS1 wheel skeletons. The angels are pretty cool and once you know where they are, they're nothing really. Is there any reason to kill the mushrooms? I've never understood their purpose - just a lore thing? Bloodlickers design is cool! Especially the gross engorged one
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 9, 2022 17:50:04 GMT
C'mon, you didn't think the big skelly emerging from the darkness at the beginning and then descending into the abyss at the end was well-designed? He gets points for style at least. The first time I was probably too confused to notice any of that. It probably went
Where's the boss? Hit glowy things What
Full disclosure: I'm not the biggest fantasy nerd so skeletons and dragons do very little for me. Always disappointed with a dragon boss, they all look the same to me
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Post by Samildanach on Jan 9, 2022 19:54:46 GMT
Oh yes Lud and Zallen are indeed terrible. The whole damn Frigid Outskirts would have been infinitely better had it been a pair of (buffed HP) Ice Stallions as the boss, rather than enemies on the way. To fight fair and square they are actually pretty decent (since they are based on the Sanctuary Guardian's moveset) but put them as endlessly respawning impediments to crossing the ice field and they are a royal pain in the arse. Perhaps your way to them could have been troubled by regular frost covered enemies from the main game just popping out of the snow (just not the Flame Salamanders or those damn Alonne Knights). At least it would have been varied and you could always outrun them.
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Post by zagibu on Jan 10, 2022 20:32:17 GMT
Finally managed to invade a few noobs as level 10 Darkstalker "from the void" in the Undead Parish. First one disconnected when he saw me casually strolling towards him, second one jumped off the bridge, and the next three I actually managed to kill. It feels good to be evil!
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Post by torb on Jan 11, 2022 22:36:49 GMT
Finally managed to gather the whole gang (or what's left of them) in DS3 - but now they make me Dance with somebody and I don't like it.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 12, 2022 7:13:23 GMT
Finally managed to gather the whole gang (or what's left of them) in DS3 - but now they make me Dance with somebody and I don't like it. I admit I am intrigued as to what this means
The first part makes me think you've gathered all the NPCs in Firelink Shrine but I don't remember there being a party afterwards
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Post by torb on Jan 12, 2022 8:45:01 GMT
Hm, we're not too spoiler-averse here, right? Let's say all the chairs are filled with "people", even if they really didn't want to be there. Also, when that was done I POOF was back somewhere I'd been before and had to fight/dance with Dancer of something something. Almost had them first time around, but all attempts since have been worse, somehow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 10:03:38 GMT
I think it's safe to say it's been out long enough to worry about spoilers.
The Dancer is probably one of the best fights of the entire series imo. Everything from the boss design to the setting, the music, it's moveset, animations etc. It's glorious.
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Post by torb on Jan 12, 2022 10:12:57 GMT
I was thinking I should head back home with all my souls before I talk to that poor lady on the floor. But she really wants to talk to me, ah what the hell.
First time I've used a ring of "don't lose your souls", it worked!
Very cool/strange the way she struts around before getting aggressive.
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Post by neems on Jan 12, 2022 10:13:04 GMT
I must confess, when I replayed DS3 recently I ended up summoning help to beat the Dancer. In my defence, the summon was awful and died halfway through and I somehow managed to beat them anyway.
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Post by torb on Jan 12, 2022 10:16:16 GMT
If we're confessing, I've summoned help for maybe half the bosses across all the souls games I played. Ok maybe not half, but a good chunk, I hate being stuck for a length of time, and DS willingness to let me bypass that is part of why I fell soo hard in love with the series last year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 10:24:58 GMT
I summon loads for my first playthrough of any souls game. It's generally only in subsequent playthroughs I set myself the task of soloing everything. I have now, multiple times and on various NG cycles and builds, but that first playthrough? Nah, I don't want to hit a road block. I'll always try the boss solo a few times but then I'll invariably summon.
Besides. Summoning is part of the fun.
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Post by torb on Jan 12, 2022 10:40:00 GMT
Phew, I can keep posting here then! I can't stress enough how hard I fell into the "genre": I know I'll want to do repeats of DS1 and BB at least, I'm sure It'd be fun to try a magic user in Demons Souls as well. Also DS2 is taunting me, I'll probably have to suck it up and keep trodding. Only other games I've done repeat plays are Day of The Tentacle and other Lucas Arts adventure games, it's just not really a thing I do.
But first I gotta kill this Dancer.
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Post by torb on Jan 12, 2022 10:41:21 GMT
Nah, I don't want to hit a road block. This is what makes me reluctant to give Sekiro a go..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 10:46:25 GMT
Hmm, well yeah, Sekiro is a different kettle of eggs to be sure. It requires a bit of change to the old mindset, but it's an excellent game in it's own right. I do think it's their hardest game by far if you're used to summoning though.
That said, I'm stuck on the final boss in NG+ because I can't remember how the hell to beat him, and I only have that ending and one other for the plat, but don't actually think I'll make it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 10:51:28 GMT
Phew, I can keep posting here then! I can't stress enough how hard I fell into the "genre": I know I'll want to do repeats of DS1 and BB at least, I'm sure It'd be fun to try a magic user in Demons Souls as well. Also DS2 is taunting me, I'll probably have to suck it up and keep trodding. Only other games I've done repeat plays are Day of The Tentacle and other Lucas Arts adventure games, it's just not really a thing I do. But first I gotta kill this Dancer. DS2 is very different, but I think DS3 is also very different. You've got similarities across all three DS game but they all play quite differently from each other. DS3 is so much like Bloodborne, with a reliance on evasion, and the fact they fucked up (and let's face it, everyone knows they did) poise, and removed the ability to upgrade armour, meaning the build variety just isn't there compared to the earlier two games. DS2 is slower, more methodical, but far less linear. It has a much greater scope for builds and is more open at the start, but punishes you quite a lot early on until you get to grips with it. It's weird in that it is at once more accesible in part and less accessible in part compared to DS1, and it's got it's own unique atmosphere. It also uses a different engine so that contributes to it's look. It's the most divisive but, dare I say it, I genuinely think it's the most "fun" out the lot and the one I constantly go back to just for the sake of enjoyment. It's three DLC areas are also utterly superb with one of the best dragon fights, and two of the best 1 vs 1 fights since Artorias.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 12, 2022 13:41:14 GMT
The only time I've used a summon in any DS was on those two douches at the end of DS2 because it's a pain in the arse fight that's sort of just in the way of the actual final fight(s). That was on a repeat playthrough and I was feeling impatient. They were NPC summons though - I think there were 3 or 4, it was great fun. Never even played a FROM game online
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Post by LTK on Jan 12, 2022 19:19:41 GMT
Don't think for a moment that summoning help for the bosses means you're playing the game wrong. Spontaneous co-op is one of the things that elevates the Souls games above everything else, and I actually think it's a better feeling to help someone defeat a tough boss than defeating it solo. Summon to your heart's content. Sekiro may not let you summon anyone but you have a lot more survival options to compensate. Usually when you're fighting a boss, you get one free revive and if you die again, that's it. But by default you have two free revives, and the second one is locked until you hit a deathblow. Or! You can use a Dragon's Blood Droplet to unlock that second revive immediately. Your first revive is refreshed when you respawn or rest at an idol. Your second revive, once used up, requires recharging, which you do by landing deathblows on enemies and/or bosses. Or! You can use a Bundled Jizo Statue which recharges your second revive instantly. You can carry only one of either of these items at a time, but that still means you can survive three deaths against any particular boss if you use a Dragon's Blood Droplet after your first death and a Bundled Jizo Statue after the second. The Jizo Statue should be a last resort but if you just need to survive to get the last 5% of a boss's health bar down, sometimes it's just worth it. This tactic was essential to my 1 attack power challenge run. DS2 is very different, but I think DS3 is also very different. You've got similarities across all three DS game but they all play quite differently from each other. DS3 is so much like Bloodborne, with a reliance on evasion, and the fact they fucked up (and let's face it, everyone knows they did) poise, and removed the ability to upgrade armour, meaning the build variety just isn't there compared to the earlier two games. I don't care what anyone says, poise backstabs no longer being a thing is 100% a win and upgrading armor never mattered for build variety anyway. You can have a massively successful poise build in DS3, take it from someone who spent 200 hours putting together a faithful Havel the Rock character.
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Post by Danno on Jan 12, 2022 19:59:26 GMT
I love coop. I've spent nights being a saviour (or trying to) on bosses like Fume Knight, Gehrman, Orphan, Artorias etc.
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