Champions League

The point has never been that it's worse, it's that it's barely any better. Which it isn't. You can throw whatever statistic you like at it, we still have roughly the same amount of diabolical games of football we have to sit through as we did before. Sure, we scrape more wins these days but I thought the whole point of getting rid of Mourinho and having a 'cultural reboot' was to get away from playing like utter shite all the time and start winning games with class again and playing good, progressive football.

So yeah, I do get my back up about it because it's hypocritical as fuck, and bordering on gaslighting when people get called out for pointing out there's barely any difference in the way we play. Other than getting fond memories of the late 90's and feeling better vibes around the club, we're no closer quality wise on the pitch to the clubs that have overtaken us since SAF left than we were at the beginning. To suggest so is ridiculous, you can navel gaze and "ackshully" about it all you want. You're in denial, not me.

People also need to separate 'results' and 'performances'. I honestly couldn't give a shit if I never see us lift another league title as long as I live. I've been luckier than 99% of football fans already as far as I'm concerned.

All I would like is to watch us kick the ball around without feeling like I've taken on another 2 hours of overtime at work. That's what it is watching us. Work.

I fully agree with this. There are too many teams better than mine (Arsenal), with more resources competing for a handful of trophies.

It’s all about how much I enjoy the performances and whether it feels like a plan is in place, regardless of whether that plan ever materializes into trophies. Entertaining football and the sense that if the stars aligned we could win something/make it to a final is all I need. Actually winning things is icing on the cake and isn’t essential to me being happy with how the team is doing.

I would argue that a sense of progress is also key. You could say that the above description applied to the late Wenger years, but the missing ingredient there was repeating the same mistakes over and over until it all felt pointless.

One feeds into the other though, right? It's like with Klopp's Liverpool. They had, all said, a pretty mediocre start to life under him results wise. But there was never any sense it was going tits up, the performances and tempo were almost always pretty good and it always just felt like a case of 'when' and not 'if'. You always felt as though he knew exactly what he wanted to do and that translated on to the pitch very quickly, which became more consistent and refined as time went on.

and it doesn't even, as a fan, have to culminate in silverware. I'm sure Spurs fans will remember their time under Poch very fondly, despite winning nothing ultimately, because there was a genuine sense of progression, and looking forward to the next game was something you were excited about rather than dreading.

Ummmm...

You are the only one doubling down on anything. Chill. Ole will get the sack soon enough or he won't.

You think PSG would destroy us? The same PSG that drew with Brugge and defended with 11 men against Man City?

I don't see it. Geeing up for big games has never been our problem under Ole. Though granted if they did against us what they did against City (Exciting Poch football TM) then they would definitely beat us.

It was a fucking unbelievable goal. There's nothing better in football than a clean first time hit like that for me.

It's the one rule of football. If you've been shouting at the TV and slagging them off all night, they'll definitely score.

I'm just going to pretend that's why I slag off the whole team. Reverse psychology baby.

Do you not like Ole? Should have mentioned it

Love the guy

I don't think Newcastle would let Steve Bruce leave sadly.

Obviously Antonio Valencia.

Haha. Forgot about Phil having a shocker at Miami.