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Post by Ulythium on May 27, 2024 20:10:39 GMT
Speaking as a total RE newbie, Rum's comment pretty much sums up my perception.
Received (and possibly incorrect) wisdom:
0 - an interesting, but ultimately failed, experiment 1 - a classic 2 - ditto 3 - very good, but too action-heavy for some 4 - a classic, striking the ideal horror/action balance 5 - crap 6 - total garbage 7 - don't call it a comeback (even though it totally was) 8 - very good
I know even less about CV, Revelations, etc., so I shan't comment on those. (Everyone despised Umbrella Corps, right?)
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 27, 2024 20:10:45 GMT
5 was insanely successful and reviewed really, really well. 6 was where it down the toilet. It also sold really well but critically was fucking mauled and Capcom took it really personally and that's why we got 7.
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Post by Zuluhero on May 27, 2024 21:31:55 GMT
Basically, but 5 is a bit divisive.
Tbh I'm more of a purist who thought its all been going down hill since 3 😋
Edit: Dammit, I keep getting caught out by the end of last page 😅
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Post by retro74 on May 27, 2024 23:03:41 GMT
Yeah number 5 was an incredibly good game and still is today. I completed it a few times again only recently to get the plat on the PS4 version
Plays like a dream, the weapons and the feedback you get from them are unsurpassed in a Resident Evil game
Even the AI Sheva is genuinely brilliant at times and was amazingly helpful on Professional
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Post by retro74 on May 27, 2024 23:08:24 GMT
Oh I forgot to say - number 6 is offensively bad and deserves the hate it receives
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Post by simple on May 27, 2024 23:17:37 GMT
I haven’t played 5 or 6 in ages but both continued the path of dragging the series further and further from what I liked about it so I wasn’t a fan.
I did pick them up dirt cheap after finishing RE4 remake so intended to try and replay them this summer. Maybe time and knowing what I’m in for will soften the blow.
My impression has always been that both sold shedloads but were generally considered a best rubbish, at worst the lowest point of the main series.
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Post by retro74 on May 27, 2024 23:31:39 GMT
Nah RE5 was considered good to great at the time, it averaged something like 85 across all formats and scored 8s and 9s everywhere
The problem was that it followed RE4, which was genuinely a classic and remains one of the greatest games ever made even today
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Post by retro74 on May 27, 2024 23:32:27 GMT
RE6 is completely shit though, just want to reiterate that
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Post by Tuffty on May 28, 2024 0:11:35 GMT
Reporting in to say that yes RE5 is totally fine, great even and that RE6 is easily the worst and what necessitated the need to do something drastic for RE7. Yes the gunplay was kinda cool and Mercenaries mode was cool, but everything else was not. I do like the concept of an all star cast for a game, Chris, Leon, Claire and Jill all working together, but if it's gonna be RE9 with the current timeline all of them would be in their late 50's to 60's prob (although it is funny because Death Island, the CG movie, basically introducted the idea that if a woman survives the T virus infection, she won't age, meaning Jill and Claire will stay looking young and hot.)
Though speaking of RE6, Switch so starved of surival horrors that RE6 port is doing..quite well
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Post by damagedinc on May 28, 2024 6:02:13 GMT
Oh I forgot to say - number 6 is offensively bad and deserves the hate it receives Yeah I stuck the leon campaign out bit binned the rest.
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Post by dangerousdave on May 28, 2024 6:06:21 GMT
Resident Evil 5 and 6 had sold a lot better before Resident Evil 2 Remake came out. Still unsure as to how they had their numbers revised downward from years before, but hey!
I imagine Resi 4 and 5 have sold quite well on Switch, too! 4 did too the eShop charts for a bit when they first came out.
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Post by loto on May 28, 2024 6:56:02 GMT
I really enjoyed RE5, but as mentioned, it suffered with impossible expectations after the acclaimed RE4. I also think the co-op mechanic was well done on the whole, but was vastly superior with a human ally; the AI Sheva could be fantastic or could be utterly useless which made some harder sections a slog. Also, co-op just didn’t sit well in the survival horror genre; you’re supposed to feel alone, low on supplies, up against impossible odds and a second player negated this. Loved 5 back in the day, and I’d buy a remake on day 1, but hope they do Veronica, as I never played it.
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Post by wunty on May 28, 2024 7:22:26 GMT
RE5 I have fond memories of playing co-op with my brother. Worked really well and we both loved it. So we then of course were quite hyped for RE6. We managed to get through Leon's campaign and then couldn't face it any more. I've tried to play through it twice myself since then and I just can't do it. It's utter shite. It's bloody amazing they went from that to 7. Never have I seen a franchise brought back so utterly from the brink.
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Post by wunty on May 28, 2024 7:23:22 GMT
Although, somewhat amusingly, because it's the only mainline RE game I haven't finished, I keep wanting to go back to it. Just to tick it off.
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Post by hicksy on May 28, 2024 7:58:21 GMT
/moves Maureen’s glasses from the side of her knitting stash to her bedside table bottom drawer
Causing havoc in Sunset Mews… it’s not exciting but patient persistence will be rewarded… one day
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Post by pierrepressure on May 28, 2024 9:09:54 GMT
All the negative reviews from RE6 made me avoid it at the time, what was it that made it so crap?
I have fond memories of RE:CV so will really look forward to that if rumours are, there's plenty there that can be improved upon.
I don't think I completed Zero so will be interested in that too.
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Post by simple on May 28, 2024 9:16:43 GMT
I’m surprised Zero has made the remake list. Unless its going to be a slightly truncated version like the 3make was.
That said Capcom seem to have the formula down for these now and it feels well within their capabilities to deliver 1, 5 and Zero in fairly short order if they want to get a consistent set of new versions of all the numbered titles. (Not that I consider 0 to be truly part of the main sequence)
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Post by RumMonkey on May 28, 2024 9:20:58 GMT
I liked CV, but I was about 12 when it came out and haven't played it since so would like a remake. Think 1 deserves a remake as well, going around the mansion in the new style would be incredible.
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Post by Tuffty on May 28, 2024 9:24:45 GMT
Capcom basically saw the success of RE5 and decided to lean all in on that for the direction of RE6. So it essentially took away all of the survival horror aspects into becoming a pure action game. No puzzles, no environmental story telling, no time to explore as it's all linear corridors, not even any tension bar some of Leon's levels. All co-op action, bad stealth sections and heavy QTE set pieces in the longest RE game in the series. Too long. The story is some nonsense too, massive kaiju level world ending threats again and again and again, it's a joke. The best part about it is the Mercenaries mode because it allows you to play the game. Like it's not scary at all, enemies are no threat considering your arsenal and that you can parry anything but you can do some fun stuff like running into a group of enemies and sliding while planting a C4 and then blowing it up behind you.
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Post by wunty on May 28, 2024 9:27:15 GMT
Just for completion sake, 1 would be my choice next. Having the first four games in parity would be something quite special indeed.
I would like CV at some point as well though, if only because of the fond memories I have of playing it on the DC (albeit with the caveats I already mentioned with it).
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Post by simple on May 28, 2024 9:29:29 GMT
I’m intrigued by what RE9 could be. The way Village ended do they continue in the present day where the final boss fight was or pick it up in the future like the final cutscene and dlc where the when the daughter is older? And what kind of style do they go for? Village managed to do a bit of everything with its different areas and the remakes have shown they’re capable of doing whole games of action or traditional survival horror when required. My personal preference would be a slower more mysterious title but I’m not sure that’s where we’re headed with Village and RE4 both existing in a similar vibe-space.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 28, 2024 9:29:40 GMT
All the negative reviews from RE6 made me avoid it at the time, what was it that made it so crap? I have fond memories of RE:CV so will really look forward to that if rumours are, there's plenty there that can be improved upon. I don't think I completed Zero so will be interested in that too. What made Resi 6 a piece of shit? There's so many things really. Incessant use of QTEs for the most innocuous things, Chris' campaign being effectively a Gears of War clone, a terrible story and the fact that it tried to appeal to everyone rather than nailing one particular aspect of Resi and appealed to no one. So you have Leon's campaign being more Resi 4, Sherry and err Jake (Wesker's son) being stalked by a Nemesis like enemy FOREVER and Chris' campaign just being a cover bashed shooter. Oh and it's pretty much all co-op where YMMV.
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Post by RumMonkey on May 28, 2024 9:32:16 GMT
The DC was such a great console, probably still my favourite ever Christmas present.
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Post by retro74 on May 28, 2024 9:33:04 GMT
All the negative reviews from RE6 made me avoid it at the time, what was it that made it so crap? I have fond memories of RE:CV so will really look forward to that if rumours are, there's plenty there that can be improved upon. I don't think I completed Zero so will be interested in that too. For me some of things I don’t like about RE6 - early on it constantly makes you walk slow for absolutely no reason and it’s incredibly frustrating - qte where you’ve got to run away but the perspective of your character is running towards the screen so you’ve no idea whether to push forward or pull back on the stick - the worst inventory system ever invented - the worst healing system ever invented - the fact that the enemies just ‘melt’ into cinder when you shoot them, giving you zero enjoyment to shooting them - the on rails vehicle sections are comically bad, thankfully there’s not too many - the weapons are terrible and you just end up using the same ones, in RE5 you love every gun, in RE6 you hate every gun - the locations are too big, too diverse and aren’t well designed - the bosses are ok but you have literally zero indication if you are doing damage or not, there are times when they are invulnerable but you’ve no idea and keep pumping your ammo into them, completely wasting it - there’s a few qte where you have to climb and they are pointless - awful underwater swimming sections with limited air supply and no directions to where you’re going I could go on but overall, it has the feel of a free to play cash in shooter to encourage micro transactions I did what wunty did and tried to complete it at launch but couldn’t, tried at least 10 over several years before i finally did on the PS4 version Still own PS3 and 360 versions even now 🤪
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Post by pierrepressure on May 28, 2024 9:36:33 GMT
I have massively fond memories of the DC, nearly picked one up on my trip to Japan earlier in the year.
My grandad won a launch date console at a works raffle, told me about it then told me I couldn't have it til Christmas, he bloody didn't get me anything else that year either the tight git!
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 28, 2024 9:39:08 GMT
WTF was the healing mechanic about?! I have no idea why anyone thought after so many games establishing how healing works they suddenly thought to completely change it into some weird capsule bullshit with more steps than combining herbs together and done.
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Post by wunty on May 28, 2024 9:46:11 GMT
The UI for RE6 is absolutely hilarious. I still don't understand it. And yes, the herbs... It's fucking weird.
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Post by simple on May 28, 2024 9:55:05 GMT
Even gameplay aside I think what I’m not a fan of in RE6 and the animated movies, all but one of which serve as direct sequels to it, is the scale of the events. Everything is on a global, city destroying level which feels so overblown and out of keeping with the series being remotely connected to horror.
Its part of the reason I like to head canon that RE7 could work as a direct sequel to RE3. A couple of easily skippable memo references to plagas aside it works too.
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Post by apollo on May 28, 2024 9:59:44 GMT
I got RE6 (xbox 1 ver) for 99p with soon to be expiring MS credit and tbh I should of let the credit expire than play this
As mentioned about the UI, each character gets their own variant of it and the herbs as tic tacs is dumb and takes ages to refill the health if low.
With RE5 they took the more action stuff from 4 and must of seen how western gamers like Gears of war and other cover based shooters at the time and decided to copy that. Playing RE5 as single player is more painful as the AI is quite dumb (mainly on higher difficulty, the AI is dumb as rocks against chainsaw creatures). I guess capcom looked at the success of the heavy action parts and less puzzles in RE5 (some hated them in 4) and thought "lets out Micheal bay in 6" Which killed the main games until 7.
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Post by wunty on May 28, 2024 10:12:29 GMT
Even gameplay aside I think what I’m not a fan of in RE6 and the animated movies, all but one of which serve as direct sequels to it, is the scale of the events. Everything is on a global, city destroying level which feels so overblown and out of keeping with the series being remotely connected to horror. Its part of the reason I like to head canon that RE7 could work as a direct sequel to RE3. A couple of easily skippable memo references to plagas aside it works too. Yeah part of what I love about 7 & 8 is how they dialled it back to one location. They're both brilliant games. Hard to know which one I actually prefer. 7 feels more "classic" resi at times yet with some modern horror tropes thrown in (that works in it's favour) and 8 takes a few more cues from 4&5 but keeps enough of the classic stuff to give a nice balance. Plus, you know, it has two equally terrifying versions of a certain house beside a waterfall.
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