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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 18, 2021 10:16:39 GMT
I think Game of Thrones lost a lot of goodwill due to its let down of an ending.
If the showrunners had not totally fumbled the last couple of seasons it would still be talked about, and deservedly - the first seasons are still very good, even if the sexposition was a bit lazy. Even those last seasons have rare moments of excellence.
Unfortunately because the show was telling a whole story, you can't just ignore the last seasons like you can with some other shows that ended poorly.
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Post by retro74 on Oct 18, 2021 11:15:25 GMT
Gave up on Game of Thrones after one episode, I realise that’s not long to judge but it seemed like complete rubbish and I struggled to imagine how it could get any better
So I can say that I have seen it I suppose
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 18, 2021 11:18:08 GMT
Capturing the zeitgeist is right. Can you imagine anyone saying ‘oh, you’ve not seen game of thrones? You HAVE to watch it’ now? I know I go on about it a lot but it does genuinely amaze me how quickly the world just erased it from its consciousness. I always just thought that as a fantasy show, it doesn't really have a lot of mainstream appeal and that lot of people were watching it because of the drama and being able to talk about the latest shocking moment
I got so sick of people asking me about it towards the end that I found something else to watch to spite them (The Leftovers) and it turned out to be a pretty great series
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 18, 2021 12:47:43 GMT
I can’t even rewatch the good seasons because I know most things have absolutely no payoff.
I caught a bit of one of the episodes with Aryas faceless man training and just got annoyed that the story was basically all for nothing other than making her less useless
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 18, 2021 13:00:07 GMT
That's a fair point, I do know others who feel the same way.
I wouldn't be opposed to rewatching it, but there's so much new stuff I don't have the time to rewatch anything, except maybe as background noise whilst I do other stuff.
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Post by スコットランド on Oct 18, 2021 13:06:20 GMT
I still haven't watched Twin Peaks but really want to. Does it still hold up?
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Post by MysteryLamb on Oct 18, 2021 13:10:55 GMT
I still haven't watched Twin Peaks but really want to. Does it still hold up? "There's a fish in the percolator." Yes it holds up. Its a classic.
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Post by JYM60 on Oct 18, 2021 13:11:51 GMT
I feel the same about Game of Thrones, and am put of rewatching it. A huge part of the show, and pretty much from the first episode, was that winter was coming.
Well, winter came and it was the dampest of damp farts.
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Post by gamingdave on Oct 18, 2021 13:20:17 GMT
I still haven't watched Twin Peaks but really want to. Does it still hold up? Yes. In my opinion still the best TV show ever made. The first two seasons still hold up brilliantly (the third is modern anyway). The world of Twin Peaks is so brilliantly realised, it's like the world we live in it, but, well, Lynch - and the characters are amazing. Because of that it doesn't seem to date in the way other shows might have.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 18, 2021 13:52:10 GMT
I am a huge David Lynch fan so, probably predictably, would say that the first and third series are still incredible but the second is pretty sucky apart from being bookended by a great first and last episode.
The third series is just *chefs kiss*. 18, one hour long Lynch movies.
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Post by gamingdave on Oct 18, 2021 13:54:40 GMT
The middle part of the second isn't as strong as the first, but it's still very enjoyable. Dips almost into sitcom at times, but then with those characters I'm happy enough with that.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 18, 2021 13:58:50 GMT
I dunno. You watch it now and you can see that nobody really knew what to do with the characters or storylines. It does feel like a bit of a waste. But, yeah, in the grand scheme of things, it’s not the worst but the drop in quality is really jarring.
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Post by cubby on Oct 18, 2021 14:47:07 GMT
Didn't Lynch leave season 2 half way through filming?
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Post by gamingdave on Oct 18, 2021 15:04:01 GMT
Lynch only co-wrote the first episode of S2 and directed the first two and last. They had a lot of guest writers and directors, though Mark Frost and/or Robert Engels wrote a lot of them.
I love some of the more random plots, like the Lucky/Andy/Dick arc, but the whole of James going off on his moapy adventure really is a slog (though does give one of the episodes a cracking opening track).
As soon as a certain ex FBI agent enters the story it ramps up again.
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Post by beastmaster on Oct 18, 2021 15:27:05 GMT
X-Files, Sopranos, Breaking Bad, The Wire and any kind of US sitcom such as Fraiser, Big Bang Theory, Friends etc.
I do have Curb Your Enthusiam on DVD and I've watched a few episodes. Fucking hilarious.
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Post by cubby on Oct 18, 2021 17:23:34 GMT
I've watched 3 seasons (maybe more) waiting for it to hit its stride, and I just kept waiting. And then I realised "oh, this is it..?" the forced improv never really ends.
You see immediately where a scene is going to go, with one of the other actors saying something like "it's my daughters 13th birthday today and I wondered if you could help me Larry" and then watch it unfold predictably as all the actors around him go "what's wrong with you??" with various degrees of improv skill. Rinse repeat for 2 or 3 "stories" per episode. I wouldn't really mind that if the actors were good at improv but so many of them really aren't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 17:26:58 GMT
What the fuck.
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Post by cubby on Oct 18, 2021 17:27:52 GMT
Oh no have I done a Larry?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 17:28:59 GMT
CUBBY YOU BALD ASSHOLE
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 17:30:39 GMT
I binned it after 1 episode.
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Post by jetsetchilli on Oct 18, 2021 19:06:16 GMT
I have never seen Twin Peaks either. Must get around to it sometime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 19:14:32 GMT
I agree with Cubby that Curb is formulaic, but I do love it nonetheless.
Twin Peaks, I got to late. Maybe watched it for the first time 5 years or so ago? Thought the first season was brilliant, but by the second I understood why it was cancelled. They wrapped up the mystery of the first season then kind of floundered about directionless after. A lot of the weirder elements the series is known for came in the season season though, so it's still worth a watch.
Didn't care for the revival though. I think I tried to watch about four episodes, but I was just bored and confused so I gave up. I should give it a second chance though. Maybe rewatch all of it and keep in mind the context of it returning about 25 years after the end of the second season.
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Post by Danno on Oct 18, 2021 20:15:59 GMT
Curb is alright but it's nowhere near as good as its hype. Same with Seinfeld - you usually know the punchline halfway through the scene. Non-animated American comedy just telegraphs everything to the point where it pre-empts the laughs
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Post by dfunked on Oct 18, 2021 20:33:52 GMT
I saw bits and pieces of Twin Peaks as it aired, but was probably a bit young for it at the time. Keep meaning to go back and watch it all.
There are quite a few 90s/00s shows that I loved and watched big chunks of as they aired, but haven't seen them in their entirety. Sopranos, 24, X-Files, Buffy...
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Post by cubby on Oct 18, 2021 21:40:29 GMT
I agree with Cubby that Curb is formulaic, but I do love it nonetheless. Twin Peaks, I got to late. Maybe watched it for the first time 5 years or so ago? Thought the first season was brilliant, but by the second I understood why it was cancelled. They wrapped up the mystery of the first season then kind of floundered about directionless after. A lot of the weirder elements the series is known for came in the season season though, so it's still worth a watch. Didn't care for the revival though. I think I tried to watch about four episodes, but I was just bored and confused so I gave up. I should give it a second chance though. Maybe rewatch all of it and keep in mind the context of it returning about 25 years after the end of the second season. Yeah I struggled with The Return as it was a lot more in keeping with modern Lynch's style, languid and meandering. But honestly I'm glad that I did because of episode 8, which just blew me away. Ahem. Gotta light?
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Oct 19, 2021 16:33:13 GMT
Gave up on Game of Thrones after one episode, I realise that’s not long to judge but it seemed like complete rubbish and I struggled to imagine how it could get any better So I can say that I have seen it I suppose I watched the first episode and even that one had already two scenes in it which more or less communicated some stuff from the book except in a plump, simplified version (the Stark ("everyone is happy") family scene and the "Tyrion likes whores and his brother"-scene).
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Post by probablymuttler on Oct 25, 2021 11:50:08 GMT
Never seen The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Only seen season 1 of The Wire, and only seasons 1-4 of The Walking Dead.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 25, 2021 12:45:52 GMT
Lynch only co-wrote the first episode of S2 and directed the first two and last. They had a lot of guest writers and directors, though Mark Frost and/or Robert Engels wrote a lot of them. Lynch actually hang around a bit more than that. He directed the killer reveal episode (episode 7), which is incredible piece of television and amazing they were able to air it. He didn't direct anything after that until the last episode (again, fantastic TV). The story you normally hear is that he was pissed off having to reveal who the killer was and wanted nothing to do with the rest of season 2. The fact he stars in most episodes after this probably means that is exaggerated a bit, but the quality drop is pretty stark from the very next episode after the reveal. I really loved the revival season, although I wouldn't argue much with those that didn't get on with it. Certainly closer to Inland Empire on the batshit Lynch scale. If the thought of watching someone sweep a floor for 2 minutes for no real reason gets you annoyed than probably don't bother with it. Episode 8 is likely to be the most influential piece of TV for some future directors though and I'm looking forward to loving their work.
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Post by gamingdave on Oct 25, 2021 13:14:12 GMT
S3 definitely does polarise people. One of my oldest friends really didn't get on with it whereas I loved it (especially ep8 which IMO is a masterpiece of film making and for him was just "twaddle"). We both watched the original series when it originally aired and would talk about it every week and have done over the years. He's less into the abstract side I guess, and whilst I love just getting lost in a Lynch world, he prefers the more straight forward side of the storytelling.
Its often said how the studio forced reveal pissed Lynch off, but like you say, he then was obviously heavily involved as Gordon and am sure spoke with the other writers and directors (and cast and crew).
IIRC one of the conditions of making S3 was that he would get to direct ever episode and he has stated as far as he is concerned it is actually one long film.
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Post by MysteryLamb on Feb 15, 2022 19:45:50 GMT
Never seen Apocalypse Now but just found a dvd of it in some boxes that have been sealed for about the last 8 years.
I'm going to watch Apocalypse Now, now.
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