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Post by elstoof on Jan 28, 2022 15:19:25 GMT
do some light offroading on bridle ways in the summer. username Checks out
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Post by gamecat on Jan 28, 2022 15:29:24 GMT
I don't think there's anything wrong with Boardmans, as long as you don't get them off Halfords and expect them to be assembled properly. You won't keep up with roadies on a gravel setup by the way, I tried it with people who I know I'm quicker than and they just rode off into the distance. Budget in extra wheels/tyres/cassette if you want to do this.
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Post by mothercruncher on Jan 28, 2022 15:45:52 GMT
Nope, fantastic value. Would really, like, really recommend a second set of wheels with light road tyres on, as said. It’s a pain to manually swap and you’ll end up not bothering and missing out on rides. When I stuck a power meter on my CX bike and rode it at the same speed as my road one’s on the same sections it was needing a minimum of 50 more watts to do the same time due to the knobbly tyres.
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Post by alcachofa on Jan 28, 2022 17:10:55 GMT
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Post by Buu on Jan 28, 2022 23:34:44 GMT
I'm off to a good start for my first 'proper' year of cycling. Will have done just under 300 miles for the month and considering when I got my road bike last September I had only covered about 4-500 miles for the rest of the year, I'm doing quite well so far.
My target was 3000 miles for the year and I get to treat myself to a pressent. Either. A power meter or Carbon wheels. Leaning heavily to the carbon wheelset at the moment - cos they look cool.
If I keep on at this pace I may have to up my target as I'll get a lot more riding done through the spring and summer months
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Post by jetsetchilli on Jan 29, 2022 0:02:06 GMT
You could go road bike and then get tires and wheels for gravel. The Decathlon Triban RC 520 is a well-regarded and specced budget 'ish road bike for the price of £849.00. The wheel clearance allows for a gravel setup. Sure it's not a top brand but you can always upgrade later if you get into it Leaves you plenty of budget for all the gear which is pretty damn expensive to be fair. One review but there are plenty of positive reviews out there www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/road-bikes/triban-rc520-disc-review/I don't regret buying mine.
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Post by elstoof on Jan 29, 2022 0:17:01 GMT
You’ll struggle to fit decent off road tyres into a road frame
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Post by Buu on Jan 29, 2022 14:44:43 GMT
Today looked like a nice day to head about but the wind ruined it completely. Made even flat sections feel like a right slog!
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Post by muddyfunster on Jan 29, 2022 16:00:41 GMT
Thanks for the advice all, very useful. Will plan on getting spare set of road wheels and tyres and may get my partner a Sonder Camino as they review impressively and it comes in a smaller size.
Can anyone explain what makes the Rival groupset better than Apex and if it's worth the extra? Also, are hydraulic brakes generally worth the extra money?
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Post by elstoof on Jan 29, 2022 19:09:16 GMT
If the number of gears are the same, then you’re usually just paying for less weight. Hydraulic brakes are generally preferable as the calipers should self adjust for pad wear and shouldn’t require the regular fettling of cable operated discs. Disc brakes generally are going to be a fuck on though regardless of system, I’d pay the hydro tax for a little less faff though
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Post by gamecat on Jan 30, 2022 16:43:08 GMT
I really dislike cable disc brakes, I prefer rim over them even. Aside from the lack of auto trimming (you have to adjust them after a heavy pad wear type of day), you also need more force than rim for heavy or prolonged braking, which really tires my wrists out. I have a bike with them on, and keep toying with upgrading them to the actuated calliper things, but really can't be bothered with the time or expense. If you want to go full hydro at any point its a big outlay as you need to replace the whole lever calliper cable gubbins.
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Post by elstoof on Jan 30, 2022 18:59:54 GMT
Disc brakes on road bikes are shit and history will prove me right
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Post by mothercruncher on Jan 30, 2022 19:54:07 GMT
Cable discs are there because manufacturers know LOOK! DISC BRAKES! sells bikes, they’re barely fit for purpose, true. I’m totally happy to use discs on the road, but my fave bike is, and probably always will be, my Cervelo with squeaky carbon rim brakes. I actually think i want to sex it.
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Post by Buu on Jan 30, 2022 20:42:50 GMT
I like disc brakes on a road bike. Admit it, they look better. (Owner of a disc brake bike)
They do sound like a fucking Goose when they get a bit mucky when you're out on a ride though
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Post by chug666 on Jan 30, 2022 20:44:18 GMT
In defence of (some) cable disc brakes, I've got trp spyres on one bike and avid bb7's on another, and they are pretty good- easy to adjust, no bleeding, and plenty of power. Bb7's are better off-road, spyres are a bit less bitey on road.
I've also used plenty of shit examples, but there are decent setups available and they are nice and easy to fix.
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Post by Vortex on Jan 30, 2022 21:01:58 GMT
Disc brakes on road bikes are shit and history will prove me right Certainly still not sold on discs, but getting rarer to see rim brakes on a new bike when I'm dreaming /window shopping for new bikes.
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Post by mothercruncher on Jan 30, 2022 21:05:51 GMT
I reckon you’ll always, at least, be able to get them via the more boutique frame builders. Speaking of which, Bowman went bust the other week though, so it is an ever shrinking supermarket shelf.
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Post by Buu on Jan 30, 2022 21:15:20 GMT
Other than weight and noise, what's your beef with discs? They're a bit of a nuisance with getting them aligned correctly but once they're on I can't see why you'd want rim brakes over a pair of discs
I've no issue with rims. My fixed gear has a front rim brake, because I'm not suicidal, but I do love how quickly my discs stop me
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Post by elstoof on Jan 30, 2022 21:23:50 GMT
They’re a overkill solution to a problem that doesn’t exist, under engineered to meet marketing demands. Off road, commuting, utility bikes etc, discs are great. Absolutely no need for them on a road bike though
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Post by Buu on Jan 30, 2022 21:28:52 GMT
I wasn't too fussed either way but when I ordered my bike the disc version was in stock first so I went with it. Also figured as I wanted to get carbon wheels eventually, it would be better to go that route abs enjoy the slightly wider tyres with tubeless when I eventually make the move
I would've loved to felt how light the bike would've been without discs though
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Post by elstoof on Jan 30, 2022 21:30:55 GMT
My carbon wheels have better braking performance than my hydraulic discs fwiw
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Post by elstoof on Jan 30, 2022 21:32:00 GMT
Tubeless is also something I dropped quickly on road, but I’m a tubular guy anyway though
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Post by Buu on Jan 30, 2022 21:33:21 GMT
But isn't carbon and rims supposed to be less than ideal in wet conditions?
Sounding like I could've had an extra £400 in my pocket! But I would've been waiting months
You're making me consider everything I thought I wanted! But I can't stop looking at the 303 Firecrests.
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Post by mothercruncher on Jan 30, 2022 21:39:52 GMT
I wouldn’t worry too much- buy it and ride the shit out of it 👍
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Post by Buu on Jan 30, 2022 21:47:35 GMT
The carbon wheels won't be until the end of the year really. Unless I smash out my target sooner than I thought. Ideally by the time I go to buy them, they may even be a bit cheaper! My heathen disc brake bike. That was when I first got it. It now has its saddle at the right height and proper pedals on it.
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Post by elstoof on Jan 30, 2022 22:08:58 GMT
Some carbon rims aren’t great in the wet, modern ones are fine though really. My ~10 year old Boras are pretty bad but the newer ones have a dimpled track that works better than my discs in all conditions. I have a disc bike for winter but I don’t like riding it, I’ll generally choose the 10 year old Boras unless it’s icy
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Post by askew on Jan 30, 2022 22:10:19 GMT
That'll look even better with a 35 front / 55 rear
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Post by mothercruncher on Jan 30, 2022 22:10:57 GMT
I snatched some nice wheels off a posho with more money than sense last year, I robbed him, really, but I like to think in a way that I’ve also made his life slightly better since he can now buy some other tat (he’ll not use and then sell eventually). I don’t know what you’ve got your eye on but there are a few straight-from-China brands with an established reputation (and one they want to keep hold of), like ICAN that are a lot cheaper than the usual main brands. My Canyon came with 60mm deep wheels, be careful the first time you go out- the wind catches them and it’s like Geoff Capes has suddenly yanked on the bars. It’s odd, but I think you eventually tune the grabby nature of the wind out and I hardly ever notice crosswinds with them now.
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Post by Buu on Jan 30, 2022 22:17:32 GMT
I was actually thinking of taking a punt on some ICAN's but I've really got my eye on the 303 Firecrests. I did have my eye on the 404 at first but we went on a ride yesterday and the wind was so bad at times it was blowing me across and I thought that deep rims would be a right handful!
One of the main things making me lean towards Zipp wheels are that I can get them on my works cyclescheme so it takes a nice dent out of the price. I may still buy some Chinese rims for my fixed gear bike though, that bike needs some new wheels for sure and I wouldn't mind taking the risk on that bike.
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Post by mothercruncher on Jan 30, 2022 22:26:37 GMT
Oh yeah- defo go for the Zipps then! 40 is actually a nice sweet spot, but of aero, still light but manageable in the wind too.
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