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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 6, 2024 3:08:24 GMT
They've got a theater showing of The Shining Extended Edition next week. Thinking of going, as I've never watched the extended edition myself... Are those extra 30 minutes any good? I imagine Kubrick must have cut them for a reason. Either way, I'll have another movie to rate very soon. Cinema near me is showing a whole bunch of classic old movies in 4k this month. They Live, The Fog, Escape from New York, The Thing, OG Dune, Night of the Living Dead, Mullholland Drive, Showgirls*, etc..
I love most of these, but I'm not sure any of them would benefit particularly from being in 4k on a big screen, so I'm a bit torn about going.
Already watched Top Gun, Jaws, Mad Max 2 on the big screen over the past year, but those felt like they'd benefit more from the scale. (Top Gun especially).
Wish they'd show Aliens**, Terminator or The Matrix.
*One of these things is not like the other
**but knowing my luck they'd probably show the shitty director's cut.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 6, 2024 3:18:25 GMT
Anyway:
Doctor Strange
This was better than I remembered. We skipped it on our initial family watch of the MCU as it didn't seem essenital in getting to Infinity/Endgame and also was a bit more scary than most of the others.
Cumberbatch gives a great performance, and Tilda Swinton is great too. It takes its time to get going, and the Inception++ mirror dimension stuff is really trippy. Forgot how good that was on a big screen.
The only real flaw, as always, is that the villain is totally underwritten. Maybe even worse than most marvel movies as they're hardly given any screen time for most of the movie.
Still, a nice change from all the other ones.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Oct 6, 2024 7:26:00 GMT
Salem's Lot (the new one)
Not great, especially after the superb Midnight Mass. It moves at a ludicrous pace, and is in some aspects reminiscent of those 80s monster movies we grew up on. The story hasn't really been modernized at all and that's probably for the best. But that does mean you have to suffer through the various King tropes including the small town full of one dimensional characters and twee dialogue. Not as good as the recent IT movies, and not as scary as I remember the original Salem's Lot miniseries being.
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Post by technoish on Oct 6, 2024 9:28:11 GMT
We watched Deadpool Vs Wolverine last night.
Really enjoyed it! It's not a serious film... but that's OK, when most superhero films take themselves waaaay too serious. And the ones that don't are necessarily that good at being funny (venom).
Hugh Jackman is indeed terrific in this version if wolverine, and the swearing really suits him.
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Post by Chopsen on Oct 6, 2024 9:29:33 GMT
They changed the ending for the remake of Speak No Evil. Which makes sense, as the original ending is one of the bleakest, most nihilistic things I've ever fucking seen. But it does make the remake a bit flat, like it's just a regular horror movie. Ah didn't realise it was a remake, interesting. Not sure I can be bothered seeking it out. Is the ending involve everything going to plan?
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 6, 2024 9:30:26 GMT
They changed the ending for the remake of Speak No Evil. Which makes sense, as the original ending is one of the bleakest, most nihilistic things I've ever fucking seen. But it does make the remake a bit flat, like it's just a regular horror movie. I watched the new one yesterday, agree on the solid 7/10 take. Just read the plot for the original, FFS that’s bleak, no way I’m watching that!
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 6, 2024 9:30:47 GMT
They changed the ending for the remake of Speak No Evil. Which makes sense, as the original ending is one of the bleakest, most nihilistic things I've ever fucking seen. But it does make the remake a bit flat, like it's just a regular horror movie. Ah didn't realise it was a remake, interesting. Not sure I can be bothered seeking it out. Is the ending involve everything going to plan? Yes 😳
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 6, 2024 10:29:52 GMT
They changed the ending for the remake of Speak No Evil. Which makes sense, as the original ending is one of the bleakest, most nihilistic things I've ever fucking seen. But it does make the remake a bit flat, like it's just a regular horror movie. Ah didn't realise it was a remake, interesting. Not sure I can be bothered seeking it out. Is the ending involve everything going to plan? If you want to know... Everything is basically the same up to about the last 20 minutes. The visiting couple find the evil couple's fake son dead in the pool. They try to escape, but the evil couple catch them, and force them to watch as they cut their daughter's tongue out. The main guy asks the evil father why he's doing this, and the answer is "because you let me".
They make the visiting couple strip naked and walk into a ditch, and they stone them to death. They start the whole cycle again with the daughter as their fake child, and introduce themselves to new victims. THE END. My main thought afterwards was "well fuck me, guess I'll just go jump off a bridge then". I guess it's effective as an ending in that I was absolutely fucking horrified, but I also found it genuinely morally repulsive. So... probably not a recommend from me.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Oct 6, 2024 10:37:21 GMT
How does the remake end then? Do they all live happily ever after? Boooooooo.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 6, 2024 11:21:22 GMT
Ah didn't realise it was a remake, interesting. Not sure I can be bothered seeking it out. Is the ending involve everything going to plan? If you want to know... Everything is basically the same up to about the last 20 minutes. The visiting couple find the evil couple's fake son dead in the pool. They try to escape, but the evil couple catch them, and force them to watch as they cut their daughter's tongue out. The main guy asks the evil father why he's doing this, and the answer is "because you let me".
They make the visiting couple strip naked and walk into a ditch, and they stone them to death. They start the whole cycle again with the daughter as their fake child, and introduce themselves to new victims. THE END. My main thought afterwards was "well fuck me, guess I'll just go jump off a bridge then". I guess it's effective as an ending in that I was absolutely fucking horrified, but I also found it genuinely morally repulsive. So... probably not a recommend from me. Yeah that OG ending when I saw it was just a big oof. I mean there's bleak and there's whatever that was.
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 6, 2024 12:23:22 GMT
How does the remake end then? Do they all live happily ever after? Boooooooo. As happy as it could be considering the circumstances
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Post by Chopsen on Oct 6, 2024 12:32:14 GMT
I was fully expecting a downer ending as it's usually the template with a "Texas Chainsaw...." me do.
I was hoping (but on no way expecting) that the American couple would turn to have turned up with the plan of killing the hosts *as well* and thought that could make a fun premise. Someone should make that film
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 6, 2024 15:42:29 GMT
Joker: Folie a Deux. The first film wasn't perfect, but it certainly was a singular piece that stood out amongst the usual comic book movie crowd (even if it did owe a lot to Taxi Driver/King of Comedy). Sequel doesn't disprove that.
Someone said a page or two ago they walked out during it. I wouldn't say it was that bad and at least looked good, much like the original, but it was a bit rubbish. Some have moaned about it dipping its toes into the world of musicals, but personally thought those moments were the highlights, as it actually sparked to life a little more at those points. The rest was pretty dreary and plodding.
One of the things I liked about the original was that there was an ambiguity about it. It is all from Arthur's perspective and we are shown on multiple occasions that he is deluded and prone to fantasy. We can't take what we see on the screen at face value and my head cannon is still that the final riots are exaggerated and that he doesn't create some kind of movement. With a sequel, any kind of ambiguities are naturally gone and we have to assume everything we saw happen did actually happen, so the sequel actively makes he original a lesser film.
As for the plot here, it takes too long to get to the court case and the court case itself ends up being all very silly. It is very at odds with the gritty, realistic portrayal it is going for. The romance between Fleck and Quinzel never feels in any way believable, either in an actual relationship kind of way or in a two deluded people acting out the performance of a relationship kind of way. Again, the musical fantasy sequences bring some life between them, but outside of those it is very flat.
Some nods to the ending below, but nothing specific.
We also have a big explosion during the end, something that the original consciously avoided. That would be fine if the explosion transported us knowingly into the comic book world, but it doesn't and we just plod along with much the same.
Can't make up my mind if the final sequence was WB insisting they need to make sure that this version of the Joker doesn't impede on the rest of the franchise or if it was a "fuck you, I'm not doing any more" from Todd Philips, but either way it isn't a satisfying end for the audience, as it comes fairly out of nowhere.
Possibly a 5/10 because it did look quite good and Phoenix is still pretty good in the role. Certainly no more than that though.
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Post by apollo on Oct 6, 2024 18:08:40 GMT
Joker: Folie a Deux. Can't make up my mind if the final sequence was WB insisting they need to make sure that this version of the Joker doesn't impede on the rest of the franchise or if it was a "fuck you, I'm not doing any more" from Todd Philips, but either way it isn't a satisfying end for the audience, as it comes fairly out of nowhere. he said the same after the first film then got a large amount of money to direct this
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Oct 6, 2024 19:09:01 GMT
V for Vendetta
It’s aged pretty well. Just a good two hour well paced punchy film which is now also good for actor spotting. Shout out to John Hurt who I think is really enjoying himself here. Delight to watch.
Only thing that hasn’t aged to well is a couple of fight scenes where it goes a bit matrixy, kind of looks a bit naff and the sound effect are something. Completely forgot it was adapted by the Wachowski’s and oddly, the director hasn’t gone on to do anything else. Surprised how they kind of got the tone/feel of England down too, feels like it’s a British film and could be watched alongside Brazil or the like.
4.5/5
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Oct 6, 2024 21:28:20 GMT
The Holdovers
A good example of how far an average-to-decent script - telling the kind of story and using the kind of tropes we've seen countless times - can be elevated by the central performances. And what performances they are by all three main cast members. A lovely film.
8.5/10
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Post by rawshark on Oct 6, 2024 21:36:17 GMT
Folie a Deux is turning out to be cinematic marmite.
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Post by peacemaker on Oct 6, 2024 22:01:45 GMT
Folie a Deux is turning out to be cinematic marmite. I think it’s about 50 on metacritic which is extremely low score for a major cinema release. I know 5/10 doesn’t sound too bad but the majority of movies that make it to the theatres scrape maybe 60-70 average scores when they aren’t great films. Marmite would also suggest whilst some, me, hated it some loved it. The highest scores for it were 80/100, which again on metacritic isn’t good for a big release.
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Post by barchetta on Oct 6, 2024 22:11:16 GMT
Seven Samurai 4K release - Broadway Nottingham.
Hadn't seen in 20 years or more so it was a great chance to take my youngest who enjoyed GoT.
For a movie weighing in at 207 mins it positively flies by. Some of the acting may feel 'theatrical' but the major characters are really well realised, with some nice interplay and moments of comic relief.
Other than a stifling screening room I thoroughly enjoyed it again. 4K release on disc/streaming might be worth picking up if you missed it and fancy it.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 7, 2024 1:21:56 GMT
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Post by rawshark on Oct 7, 2024 6:10:18 GMT
The metacritic score is low, but the spread is currently fairly even between those who gave it a positive review and bad reviews, and quite a lot of middling scores in between. (32/42/26). So maybe not marmite. Hummus?
Some critics have taken to it though. Was watching the Mark Kermode review where he thinks it’s probably a better film than Joker, but probably isn’t the film that fans of that film will want.
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Post by Binky on Oct 7, 2024 7:06:48 GMT
Mean Girls (2024)
A remake of the musical remake of the vintage 2004 movie (that I haven't seen). Do you know what, it was alright. Laughed a few times and there was some fun songs - although the majority really needed an injection of better comedy writing. Enjoyed it overall. Best thing about it was Moana and her sidekick! She was great.
6/10
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Post by Dougs on Oct 7, 2024 7:10:40 GMT
I was made to watch the previous version by my daughter and really enjoyed it! It wss way better than I expected.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 7, 2024 7:13:28 GMT
Edit - re: Joker 2 and how it is reviewing. Agree that original Mean Girls is pretty good.
A 33% on Rotten Tomatoes would suggest not so much with the middling or positive reviews.
Not listened to Kermode's review yet (will likely listen to the podcast as I work this morning), but definitely can't agree that it is a better film than the first (which, watching last week ahead of the new one, I would say wasn't as good as I remember it being). Both are fairly meandering, but at least the original worked from a framework of just being King of Comedy.
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Post by Binky on Oct 7, 2024 7:18:17 GMT
Knox Goes Away/A Killer's Memory (Prime)
Michael Keaton directs Michael Keaton as a hitman with aggressive dementia and he sets about getting ready to "go away". A movie of 2 halves. Any scenes with Keaton and Al Pacino are great and really fascinating to watch. Anything with the cops is massively wooden and clunky. Definitely worth a watch.
6/10
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 7, 2024 7:38:41 GMT
RE: Joker 2.
Not watched either of them, and no real interest in doing so, but a lot of the negative user reviews on metacritic are people who thought the main character was cool in #1 and feel like #2 is attacking them for doing so.
I got the impression that Joker#1 managed to be ambiguous enough that it appealed to both sides, but #2 sounds like it's doing a Matrix: Resurrections.
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Post by rawshark on Oct 7, 2024 8:16:44 GMT
The general consensus from people I know who’ve seen it hasn’t been great - I think the user reviews seem to reflect that too.
I just thought it was interesting reaction so far. Funny you mentioned Matrix: Resurrections as I saw an article somewhere the other day about how the critics had got it all wrong on that film and it was actually the best in the series. That’s their opinion and I applaud them for expressing it. (Although it’s categorically wrong.)
I will see Joker FAD (as no one is calling it) at some point but I’m going in preparing for it to be pants. The aspect that worries me is that for a kind-of, sort-of musical, no one has had anything to say about the music.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 7, 2024 8:24:18 GMT
I think I heard it has 15 musical numbers, which seems excessive for a musical that's trying to also have some kind of drama. Aren't they all covers of famous songs?
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Post by rawshark on Oct 7, 2024 8:24:22 GMT
Edit - re: Joker 2 and how it is reviewing. Agree that original Mean Girls is pretty good. A 33% on Rotten Tomatoes would suggest not so much with the middling or positive reviews. Not listened to Kermode's review yet (will likely listen to the podcast as I work this morning), but definitely can't agree that it is a better film than the first (which, watching last week ahead of the new one, I would say wasn't as good as I remember it being). Both are fairly meandering, but at least the original worked from a framework of just being King of Comedy. I guess that’s the problem with comparing aggregate review scores - if they work on two different metrics they’re only really comparable for things with universal acclaim or dislike. But 33% and 45% isn’t great no matter which way you cut it. Of course what really matters is whether it’ll be a hit or not. I reckon word of mouth will start showing in the second and third week’s takings, but I might be wrong.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 7, 2024 8:45:08 GMT
I will see Joker FAD (as no one is calling it) at some point but I’m going in preparing for it to be pants. The aspect that worries me is that for a kind-of, sort-of musical, no one has had anything to say about the music. As I say, personally thought the musical elements work the best. When it goes all in on it there is suddenly a spark of life to the film (I've seen a few reviews that say this too). But a lot of the time it is a bit half-hearted or shortened. Lady Gaga is pretty good, but she doesn't get as much screen time as you would expect. If they really had to make a sequel, I think it would have been better to have the film much more from her perspective.
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