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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 18, 2021 1:43:11 GMT
You can write this shit George, but you can't say it, etc Yeah, but he does pull off saying it 99% of the time. I wonder if the issue with the prequels is partly that the actors didn't feel they had as much freedom to adlib or deviate from the script, because by that point Star Wars had become this big thing. I'm not sure how much they did in the originals tbh, but I get the sense that Ford at least was making the role his own. Little bits like the 'No, why?' to Lando are great. The absolutely best bit on the terrible Rise of Skywalker is the bit where Adam Driver shrugs, and I'd bet that wasn't in the script. I can't think of any moments like that in the Prequels that didn't feel incredibly pre-written and forced.
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Post by Lizard on Nov 18, 2021 3:54:34 GMT
Ian McDiarmid is good in the prequels. A masterclass in hamming it up with a shit script.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Nov 18, 2021 3:59:52 GMT
Yeah, note that I used him and Ford as exceptions to the "OT has mediocre actors" rule. Nothing wrong with a bit (a lot) of ham
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Post by Psiloc on Nov 18, 2021 12:52:49 GMT
Rogue One was the best movie since Empire anyway Return of the Jedi was weak but it still had characters with motivation and a personality. So did TFA frankly. I genuinely can't think of any of Rogue One's characters names of the top of my head. Good fan service though and way less frustrating than the rest of the sequel trilogy. I guess you may have a debatable point technically but I'm really not happy with the direct comparison between Empire and Rogue One and I respectfully insist you reconsider your position immediately.
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Post by khanivor on Nov 18, 2021 13:11:03 GMT
Nope.
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Post by malek86 on Nov 18, 2021 13:25:30 GMT
There are only two scenes everybody remembers from a movie: the beginning and the ending. Rogue One had an awesome ending scene, so it gets a lot of love. That's smart directing, when you think about it.
But frankly I struggle to remember any of the other scenes. And like Psiloc said, I can't even remember the names of most of the characters.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2021 13:30:17 GMT
There are only two scenes everybody remembers from a movie: the beginning and the ending. Thats not true at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2021 13:34:42 GMT
Remember that bit in Predator when a silhouetted Dutch got off the helicopter at the army base then the predator blew himself up and Dutch flew away on another helicopter. Great film.
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 18, 2021 13:36:00 GMT
Rogue One's start was fantastic as well. Really epic and stark. There were plenty interesting parts to the film throughout.
I agree it kind of loses its way part way through but it comes back round and is, to me, hugely enjoyable and re-watchable.
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Post by dominalien on Nov 18, 2021 13:52:03 GMT
That fight redo on the previous page is the most awesome thing I saw this year. And it was a long year.
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Post by khanivor on Nov 18, 2021 14:07:53 GMT
Because it’s so rewatch able I can only easily list off all the characters in the movie.
It does more Star Wars than any of the other films, imo. Minus the laser swords. It’s uniqueness in killing every single protagonist also elevates it to another level
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Post by Psiloc on Nov 18, 2021 14:24:21 GMT
Rogue One's start was fantastic as well. Really epic and stark. There were plenty interesting parts to the film throughout. I agree it kind of loses its way part way through but it comes back round and is, to me, hugely enjoyable and re-watchable. Yeah I've watched it a few times. It's good. But I'm under no illusion that it's a great film, take the fan service out and its pretty boring. Or alternatively take some of the more embarrassing fan service out and you could probably improve it a bit that way
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Post by Psiloc on Nov 18, 2021 14:26:53 GMT
There's that story from RLM where he took his daughter to see the film, and after it was over he asked her what her favourite part was, she answered "where the Dad tucks in the R2D2 doll into bed with the boy" and it turned out it was a Duracell advert before the film started
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 18, 2021 14:28:54 GMT
The problem is that the, admittedly awesome, end scene of Rogue One isn't remotely connected to Rogue One. (The other problem is that the actual very ending of the cool Vader scene is the bit where everyone goes 'what the hell have they done to Leia's face???!!!' ) I thought Rogue One was great. It would indeed be the best SW film since RotJ, if TLJ hadn't pipped it at the post.
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Post by スコットランド on Nov 18, 2021 14:29:25 GMT
Despite the prequels being shit, I though Ewan McGregor was good, exactly as you'd imagine a younger Alec Guinness Obi-Wan. /Shrug
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Post by malek86 on Nov 18, 2021 14:36:00 GMT
I didn't mind Eawn McGregor, but I guess it helped that he had less puke-worthy lines than Hayden Christensen in the first place.
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Post by dogbot on Nov 18, 2021 14:38:36 GMT
I think he definitely got better (apart from his scene with Padme in the apartment after Anakin went fruity loops, which was appalling) after the first one. The beard helped.
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Post by Danno on Nov 18, 2021 14:38:44 GMT
Donnie motherfucking YEN.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 18, 2021 14:41:19 GMT
What happend at the start of Rogue One? I genuinely don't remember and it makes that theory moot.
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Post by Psiloc on Nov 18, 2021 14:46:13 GMT
Honestly with the prequels I don't judge any of the actors too harshly. I mean look at Samuel L. Jackson, you'd think he'd never acted before. I'd blame the writing, directing and the fact they're mostly having to act with a green wall before pointing the finger at the actors themselves.
In fact, with Ewen McGregor in particular I think he did a pretty good job considering what he was working with. With Clones for example most of his scenes are him alone pretending to have conversations with a green screen.
SLJ you can tell his attitude was "if you all don't give a fuck then I won't either".
The funny thing is if you watch some of the "making ofs" the producers go on about this process like it's wonderful that their actors don't need to act alongside other actors any more.
EDIT: That's it, I remember them throwing sticky green balls against the green screen, then saying to the actors "that's your co-star, act with that".
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Post by malek86 on Nov 18, 2021 14:47:03 GMT
What happend at the start of Rogue One? I genuinely don't remember and it makes that theory moot. I think it's the bit where the empire agent goes to look into the guy's house for the DS plans? And then he kills the dude? I'm pretty foggy on it myself, but it's still more than I remember about the rest of the movie, other than that one Darth Vader scene.
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Post by Psiloc on Nov 18, 2021 14:48:31 GMT
They also land about 10 miles away from their destination so they can walk menacingly towards it
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Post by beastmaster on Nov 18, 2021 14:49:00 GMT
I just remember how different the final Rouge One film was to the trailers that were released.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 18, 2021 14:54:54 GMT
The Empire comes and kills her family and she has to hide. Rogue One has loads of cool characters. It's just that most of them have unpronounceable names. Bodhi Rook, Chirrut Îmwe, Baze Malbus??? Jeez. But... Riz Ahmed, Donnie motherfucking YEN, Donnie Yen's mate with tbe big gun. Batshit crazy Forest Whitaker. Good scary imperial Bad Guy whose name I've also forgotten, but looks like a younger Moff Tarkin. Alan motherfucking Tudyk as HK-48-ish. Jan Ors Jyn Erso
Weirdly they seem to have decided to make a tv series about the least memorable guy... though I guess he was one of the few with a name you could actually remember.
PS/ Riz Ahmed already has his own star wars name!
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Post by dogbot on Nov 18, 2021 14:55:52 GMT
They also land about 10 miles away from their destination so they can walk menacingly towards it If the baddies didn't do this, the then-children protagonists would never escape and grow up to challenge them.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 18, 2021 14:56:23 GMT
I just remember how different the final Rouge One film was to the trailers that were released.
Moulin Rouge One
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Post by khanivor on Nov 19, 2021 16:08:08 GMT
The cast in RO is immense. I’m quite gay for Ben Mendhelson
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Post by anephric on Nov 19, 2021 18:48:19 GMT
Yeah, Ben Mendelsohn was great, but he pretty much always is.
They wasted Mads Mikkelsen mind.
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Post by Saul1138 on Nov 20, 2021 10:37:23 GMT
I love Rogue One, and, in my humble opinion, is a great Star Wars film. It is up there in the top five films, A New Hope (Star Wars), Empire, Last Jedi and Rogue One will probably always be in my top five entries. They will probably change places depending on what I am in the mood for.
And I am in that rare breed that lives TPM, best of the prequels for me. I will go as far as to say, there are elements of the prequels that best the OT. But they have their faults, mostly FF Coppola saying the GL should take total control. Even the OT benefitted from the inside interference of some of the higher ups involvement.
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Post by anephric on Nov 20, 2021 13:23:57 GMT
Gary Kurtz and Irwin Kirshner confronted Lucas quite aggressively about Empire story decisions and after that, Lucas basically would never again have a producer or a director around him that would say no, which is why you ended up with weaselly lickspittles like Rick McCallum.
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