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Post by ozthegweat on Jan 11, 2022 11:46:27 GMT
I loved the opening island of Odyssey. Seems pretty big at first, then the map opens up to you. Is it worth coming back just to play the new DLC? I finished off the game and the main DLC, then moved on to Valhalla and found it pretty jarring going from a superpowered demigod to someone who hurts themselves if they fall a couple of meters. I quite enjoyed both DLCs, although the map of the middle part of the second DLC is incredibly boring. Fits the setting, but still.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 11:07:41 GMT
Bloody hell, I've right got back stuck in to Odyssey. Burned through 10 hours over the last few days. Really enjoying it again. Still not really sure what the hell is going on but it's such a lovely world dammit. It's also nice to be so strong that I can just march into a fort and batter everyone there, eventually luring them up to a roof and then This-is-Sparta-ing them all off the top. Also managed to meet the real Minotaur who completely battered me. I need to go back when I'm a few more levels up I think. Great stuff.
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Post by Phattso on Jan 31, 2022 11:48:34 GMT
Despite being in the "abandoned games" thread threatening to bin Valhalla, it got its teeth back into me these past few days. Oddly it was going off and doing some of the "filler" content that helped. Some of it is really really good, and I'm loving exploring the world for its own sake. A minor character who I thought was a fucking prick got offed as well, so that helped.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 12:23:31 GMT
It does seem to be an AC thing that you reach a point and go "nah fuck this" and then it kind of sinks it's teeth in again. Same happened to me with Black Flag. Binned it about 3 times but kept getting drawn back to it. Same seems to be happening here.
I actually started an Origins playthrough before and the same happened there. Trouble is, because Odyssey plays so good at 60fps, I don't think I'd go back to Origins unless they patched it.
I do think Kassandra is the bestest AC protagonist yet as well, which helps.
I know I'll end up buying Valhalla when it's next cheap as, like I've said elsewhere, it's always the worlds Ubisoft create that pull me in, and I do like the look of the setting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 12:52:56 GMT
I just finished the main story in Odyssey last night after the 98 hour point. I've now got the DLC, Artemis, last cultists, new mercenaries and stacks of other stuff I skipped. I've not even been to alot of the islands. My ship is Legendary in all areas, but it is going to take a long time to fill that last bar on each (if I am ever able). I did the minotaur at level 51 and it was still edge of the seat stuff, so I'm not surprised you struggled at your level. I also did the adventures in the realm to the east of there and they were good and tied in with it. Graphically on the Stadia, the game is amazing on a 4k TV. When I was stood on top of the ruins of Knossos Palace with the sun rising over the hills in the background, the smoke from a fire curling around the wooded hills, the birds wheeling overhead, I thought it looked incredible. THe detail on the armour and the distance you could see into the distance were unreal. Sound is also good and I love listening to my crew singing away as we head towards yet another Anthenian trireme. With having an NG+, I could play this for months, but I see that Origins is £19 in a sale at the moment so that is tempting. Valhalla also I'll no doubt get and I've got Black Flag on the Switch (naval combat didn't work for me so far). But first I've got some blade to get and then Atlantis. I've still not seen the other mythological creatures that supposedly exist. After dealing with SPOILER, I can't say I'm looking forwards to the rest of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 13:12:21 GMT
I'm at the 50 hour mark now I think. There's just so much to do! But I am very much enjoying it. Going below the ruins of King Minos' palace was brilliant tbh, so I'm actually looking forward to going back there. I got to Sparta and did a few things there, then ended up getting sidetracked to deal with a rebellion on Mykonos that I'd forgotten about so I'm in the middle of doing that instead. Apparently our friend the minotaur is level 40 so I'll try him at that and see how I get on. I've got some lovely legendary poison daggers I relieved a mercenary of so I may try them on him. Looks like I have discovered two cyclopes as well! but there's no way I'm taking them on yet. Incidentally, since meeting Kassandra's father I've got a whole new Odyssey to do which involves various artifacts, including the one one from our friend mentioned above. When did you do that one? Have you done it yet?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 13:23:23 GMT
Good luck with our mutual friend. I had the poison daggers (and a poison bow) and phase two of that fight was... interesting. That said, Dark Souls material I am not.
Ref the two things you've discovered, I think I've met them too. In my case they are both dead. The one surrounded my fire was the harder of the two, especially as I had no idea what it was that I was jumping into.
On the last point, I've only just done "our mutual friend". The other three artifacts I suspect are the key to an area which I will be doing last. I've heard that you should do (1) The main game, but not all the cultists (2) the blade (and then the cultists) (3) Atlantis. I'm tempted to just wipe out the remaining four cultists I've got left because they really shouldn't have done what they did in Athens.
There's a few islands I want to go onto which I've heard are good fun and there are still people waiting for me in Athens with things to do. Lots of the world are still covered up and many of the places that I have been to have just been skimmed over. The palace was good. Once you've finished that, head East for some light relief. I beat the arena last week too. The last fight had me running around a pit for ages waiting for my abilities to recover.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 13:34:01 GMT
I did east first! That the fake minotaur stuff? It was quite amusing.
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Post by askew on Jan 31, 2022 13:35:27 GMT
I bought Valhalla at Christmas for about £22 on CDKeys. Can’t say I’ve made too much headway as there is a shitload to do and there are plenty other games on the backlog. The forthcoming Ragnarok expansion looks fun. Fingers crossed it’ll stand-alone from the main quest.
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Post by ozthegweat on Jan 31, 2022 16:02:34 GMT
I completed it and all DLCs a few weeks ago, down to the last icon on the map. Took me exactly 150 hours.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 18:07:25 GMT
I did east first! That the fake minotaur stuff? It was quite amusing. Yeah that was the stuff. I enjoyed it as I knew the reality and could tell them all...which I did....repeatedly. I did my virtual run today around the Acropolis. It was pretty good thinking "I've been there" and "I looted that". I'm a bit knackered now though and my wife isn't impressed that I didn't make any dumplings before I started my run. Apparently making a stew wasn't enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 18:16:07 GMT
I hope you told her you've just run to the fucking Acropolis, from your house.
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Post by robthehermit on Feb 9, 2022 17:05:32 GMT
So the next Assassins Creed game is going to be some more Valhalla dlc that they've decided to turn into a full game apparently. They're trying something new with the AC formula this time around and making it smaller (almost DLC sized you might say) and stealth focused.
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Post by AccidentProne on Feb 10, 2022 8:33:10 GMT
I completed it and all DLCs a few weeks ago, down to the last icon on the map. Took me exactly 150 hours. Finished the main story and DLC a few weeks ago too, but have been mopping up the icons since. Actually think I enjoy just pootling around England on my horse whilst clearing the map more than the main story for this one. I think it's the first AC I've actually bothered with much beyond the story, not sure why I'm enjoying it so much here? Closing in on 150 hours, probably be closer to 160 by the time I've finished everything, though I've not bothered with too many of the river raids yet and not sure I can be arsed with them either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 9:12:37 GMT
So the next Assassins Creed game is going to be some more Valhalla dlc that they've decided to turn into a full game apparently. They're trying something new with the AC formula this time around and making it smaller (almost DLC sized you might say) and stealth focused. I'm not sure how I feel about this. What I've seen suggests the main game is a bit grim looking and feeling, so I'd hoped for something a bit brighter and with more humour. More of wet and wild England wasn't what I was expecting. Still, I might love it when I eventually get on a long boat.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 9:36:55 GMT
It's not a bad idea making them smaller tbh. They are just too bloody big.
I'd quite like another one like Unity / Syndicate / Brotherhood that just focuses on one city and kind of reverts back to the older style. I love Odyssey and what i've played of Origins but they really do feel like different games compared to the older ones. I feel AC as a franchise has lost it's identity a bit.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 10, 2022 9:48:42 GMT
I honestly don't think it has one anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 9:55:12 GMT
Yeah, seems that way.I wasn't the biggest fan of all the Desmond stuff, but at least it felt like it had a narrative throughout all the games up til the end of 3. Then it was just.. Whatever. They still shoehorn the modern day stuff in and the first civilisation shit in but I wish they wouldn't bother. I have no idea what's going on or care less any more because it's been handled so poorly.
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Post by dogbot on Feb 10, 2022 10:12:29 GMT
Yeah, seems that way.I wasn't the biggest fan of all the Desmond stuff, but at least it felt like it had a narrative throughout all the games up til the end of 3. Then it was just.. Whatever. They still shoehorn the modern day stuff in and the first civilisation shit in but I wish they wouldn't bother. I have no idea what's going on or care less any more because it's been handled so poorly.
So much this. The whole first civilisation, "you have to save the world from destruction by finding all these magical artefacts" narrative is so odd. It could have been a really interesting storyline to underpin all the games but actually it's just boring and utterly directionless. I don't care about Minerva, just let me stab Rodrigo Borgia! And frankly, in the newer games, it's got worse. I loved the early games - I bought a PS3 to play the first one and even though it was kinda basic, it had a pace and scale that I loved and there were some genuine moments of greatness when you climbed a ridiculously tall building and looked out over Acre or executed someone without being seen and slipped away into the crowd. The setting was great (particularly as I've always loved that 2nd and 3rd Crusades period). The Ezio games took that and made it so much better and are probably some of my favourite games ever - although I didn't love Revelations as much as the first two. Again, great settings and really good characters. I'm probably the odd one out in that I don't love Black Flag as much as everyone else, but I had great fun with Unity and Syndicate. Origins was fun and I quite liked the changes to the gameplay and the origin story... but as much time as I spent playing Odyssey and Valhalla (hundreds of hours), neither of them was satisfying in the way the earlier games were. Valhalla particularly is a dour and often utterly humourless grind, with characters I mostly couldn't care less about. I played it, but much of it was by rote. I think I've probably fallen out of love with the series.
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Post by dam on Feb 10, 2022 10:17:56 GMT
Looking back on games I've played the most in the last 2 years, I think I just like riding a horse round pretty environments. Maybe it's a reflection on our current travel status...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 10:28:33 GMT
dogbot Ha, I have the same thoughts Re: Black Flag. Unity was basically the AC game I wanted after Brotherhood. Actually. I enjoyed Revelations as well but 3 started to turn me off. So much in fact I took a long break and didn't play Black Flag til much later on. I finished it but didn't love it. Unity remains one of my favs and, in fact, I'm messing about with that and Syndicate on the One X upstairs whilst I'm pootling about in Odyssey on the PS5 (all temporarily shelved in favour of Dying Light 2 mind you) and I just love everything you do in Unity. For me, it's the perfect AC game. Paris during the revolution just oozes atmpsphere, and it's advanced enough (in terms of architecture and human engineering) so that there's some properly amazing things to climb, the city is teeming with life and the combat is perfect. Syndicate is not as good but I still really like it. As I say, I like Odyssey too, but it's not an AC game. If i had to say my top 3: Unity Brotherhood II
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 10:48:00 GMT
I can't say I'm a huge fan of Black Flag either. I like the land stuff but the sailing and naval warfare hasn't worked for me. The ships are just so ponderous and I'm just so crap at it and end up firing cannons into the air in all directions.
I dont think I've played any other AC games, but the whole modern day stuff is just crap when it turns up. They should bin that and just let the games be there on their own without dragging you back to some loft in London to say nothing of any value before you go back to the action. Its like someone dragging you out of the cinema for a powerpoint presentation on why the writer wrote what he did and isn't it all amazing and then an hour later letting you finish the film. It really breaks immersion and I don't care.
As for the last three being different, I@m an RPG fan, so I'm happy with the way they have gone and the sales figures suggest most people are as he last three have sold way more than he previous iirc... not that more sales nescessarily means better.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 10, 2022 10:58:25 GMT
Fucking heathens.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 11:11:31 GMT
quitsking Yeah I don't doubt the new ones have sold more and, like I say, not hating on them at all as I'm really enjoying my playthough of Odyssey. It just doesn't feel like AC. The fact you can't even instantly assassinate people most of the time unless you focus on an assassin build, and enemies take forever to put down, means it feels even further from the series it's meant to be a part of. Like you say, it's an RPG now, and that's fine, but it's not AC.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 11:54:43 GMT
I have an assassin build, so I'm death incarnate.
Plus I am on Easy with "easy scaling", with a poison build so I am DEATH INCARNATE....or a Goddess as I keep telling people.
I find Rush Assassinate brings down 4 enemies in a row and then I use the Assassinate Damage in Melee ability, with the Ring of Chaos and Ares Warcry and that usually does the job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 12:01:27 GMT
I've gone warrior as I like to just stroll into a camp and butcher everyone while their mates watch.
Reading a bit more about this new rumoured AC though and... It sounds like I may just be getting what I want. Stealth focused, rumours of it being set in Baghdad, much smaller in scope. I'm on board with that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 12:09:30 GMT
I stroll in as well. Master ability of "percentage chance to inflict 25% of assassins damage in melee" and daggers tends to mean that everyone dies... including the mercenaries that turn up. Its mostly because of the mercenaries that I assassinate. Plus, assassinate is quicker.
If the new one is in a new location, then that could be good. More depth in a smaller location is better than huge and empty. That said, I won't have anything able to play it (as I doubt it will get to Stadia), so this is just theoretical.
Anyway, just finished a release, so time for some breakfast.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 12:20:19 GMT
Lunch! It's lunch time!
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Post by Phattso on Feb 10, 2022 12:49:52 GMT
Put me out of my misery with Valhalla: when does the main story end? Am I literally going to have to get it level 300 or whatever and clear every single county? Or does it stop sometime before that?
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Post by harrypalmer on Feb 10, 2022 12:54:33 GMT
Would also like to know this.
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