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Post by dangerousdave on Aug 12, 2023 18:31:19 GMT
That's interesting wording of "the first Bond". Is this a translation? Either pre Casino Royale, narratively speaking, or early Sean Connery?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 18:41:30 GMT
Didn’t the last Bond movie play with the idea of Bond being more of a callsign than a family name, or did I imagine that? That film was so terrible.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Aug 13, 2023 11:51:28 GMT
Not really, though it would have been a good opportunity to do so. Haven't a number of different bonds had mentions of their parents dying in a climbing accident?
Unless that's a prerequisite.
I think they're all in different stands of the bondverse
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 13, 2023 14:42:29 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 13, 2023 15:48:14 GMT
There are some mistakes in that article, a big one being there was no numbered sequel, the mega CD version was essentially a refined version of the mega drive game with fmv cutscenes and better sound. There was going to be a sequel...BUT Sega had Virtua Fighter at the time and bafflingly didn't want two fighting games of their own making to exist which is obviously insane, Sega Japan overruled Sega America and that was that. You really see how these bright ideas led to Sega's demise as a platform creator.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Aug 14, 2023 8:53:08 GMT
Eternal Champions was an odd one. I liked it, and the character designs were great, managing to avoid the usual fighting character clichés prevalent at the time.
The gameplay wasn't as good though. If you play the mega drive SF2 and then this there's a clear difference in quality.
The mega cd version might fair better, never played that version. As well as the differences above I think the mega cd version also had more gore, leaning into the fatalities more.
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Post by Ulythium on Aug 14, 2023 12:19:30 GMT
How well (or otherwise) do the first three Devil May Cry games hold up? Worth a shot at £15 for the HD Collection, or would I be better off going straight for DMC5?
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Post by Duffman5 on Aug 14, 2023 13:00:45 GMT
Any interest in giving Texas Chainsaw a game or two when it releases on gamepass, could be fun. Never played this style of game but like the look of this.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 14, 2023 13:53:21 GMT
How well (or otherwise) do the first three Devil May Cry games hold up? Worth a shot at £15 for the HD Collection, or would I be better off going straight for DMC5? First game is fine - a proof of concept really
Second one is truly awful. No one likes it, skip it
Third one is brilliant, well worth playing. Gameplay holds up well. Tonnes of depth and complexity
Fourth one has great combat but I think is a bit divisive due to Dante not being playable until half way through the game and the second half of the game is backtracking through all the levels and bosses you've already done. Worth playing
DMC5 is amazing
3 and 5 are the stand outs in my opinion. 4 if you want more. First if you end up digging the series and just want to see where it started. Really don't play 2
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 14, 2023 13:54:59 GMT
DMC Devil May Cry is cringe AF. Can't stand it
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Post by Ulythium on Aug 14, 2023 15:29:29 GMT
Thanks for that, AA - very helpful.
The edgelord approach of DmC: Devil May Cry put me off massively when I watched a bit of gameplay footage on YouTube.
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 14, 2023 20:35:52 GMT
NT made the best DMC game....
(But honestly despite some iffy story moments it plays great)
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Post by Ulythium on Aug 14, 2023 20:51:17 GMT
In fairness, I have heard that the reworked last-gen version plays well.
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Post by malek86 on Aug 14, 2023 21:23:59 GMT
How well (or otherwise) do the first three Devil May Cry games hold up? Worth a shot at £15 for the HD Collection, or would I be better off going straight for DMC5? DMC1 is pretty weird by modern action game standards. It plays almost like a proof of concept 3D version of an Igarashi Castlevania: stages are often very short, there's a bit more emphasis on backtracking and puzzles, and enemies are relatively few (some stages only contain two or three strong enemies). The death system is pretty restrictive too: there are checkpoints during levels, but you need a certain item to respawn at checkpoints, otherwise you gotta reload the save. That item is rare and better saved for longer stages, but then again, on your first time through, you have no idea which stages are the longer ones. So you'll probably just reload every time you die. Which also gives you a better score anyway, iirc. I really liked the game, and it's something that has not been replicated again. But it's very hard at the start, I haven't played it again in years because of that. I'm also not a big fan of the more frantic action introduced by DMC3, so there's that. If you prefer that kind of games, I'm not sure DMC1 will scratch that itch. About DMC2, I actually really liked the visual design in places, but yeah, let's just say it's not fun at all to play.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2023 21:24:28 GMT
It wasn’t really reworked, just runs at 60 instead of 30 so it looks smoother.
I think DmC is underrated, honestly. I started with the first Devil May Cry, and to me it’s still the best in that series. I like the Resident Evil mansion-like structure, and the version of Dante in that game is probably the best, with a blend of light and serious. DMC2’s Dante is too serious, and the other games have an annoying frat boy persona.
Also, the writing was never this series’ strong suit, it’s the gameplay. And even then, while people say it’s tryhard with its on-the-nose Fox News satire, I found the story interesting enough, and the script was written by Alex Garland of Ex Machina and Dredd fame. I believe a lot of you on this site are a fan of his work? It may not be great, but it’s better written than any old Capcom schlock.
The art style is atrocious though. Ninja Theory has like 3 character designs that they reuse for every game they make. Heavenly Sword, Enslaved, DmC, Hellblade.. they’re all equally ugly.
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Post by dfunked on Aug 14, 2023 21:52:09 GMT
Huh, didn't realise Alex Garland was involved in it. I might have to give it another chance.
I don't think I've ever actually finished a DMC game come to think of it, and I've been playing them since the first one.
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Post by Ulythium on Aug 14, 2023 22:40:56 GMT
Didn't the 'Definitive Edition' add new gameplay features, like a manual lock-on option and an adjustment to how the colour-coded enemies worked?
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 14, 2023 22:43:43 GMT
Yeah, it did change a few things. I just find the presentation so off putting, even if there is some fun to be had from the gameplay. The story, characters and dialogue are just so bad. Speaking of character designs, Kat doesn't even look human
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2023 22:48:18 GMT
Didn't the 'Definitive Edition' add new gameplay features, like a manual lock-on option and an adjustment to how the colour-coded enemies worked? To be fair, it’s been AGES since I played the PS3 version, but I recall it having manual hold-to-lock-on as well. Matter of fact, that’s one of the things I liked about the game, that locking-on was optional rather than necessary to pull off the longer combos. One of the things I hate about DMC vs Ninja Gaiden, Bayonetta, God of War etc is how rigid it is in its gameplay. I like the fluidity of just being able to point the stick at an enemy and the game attacking them, then moving onto the next.
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Post by Ulythium on Aug 14, 2023 22:57:11 GMT
I'll happily defer to your experience, Spooky, especially as all my 'knowledge' on this front is based upon half-remembered YouTube videos (the makers of which may have been full of crap in the first place) Is the original Bayonetta worth checking out? It's the only game in that series that's available on PlayStation, I believe, and it comes bundled with Vanquish (about which I know literally nothing).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2023 23:05:11 GMT
Bayonetta 1 is the best game in that series, and Vanquish is arguably the best game Platinum’s ever made, at least top 3 (NieR Automata and Metal Gear Rising being the other two).
So absolutely yes.
Also could do the Ninja Gaiden Master Collection. “Easy” Sigma versions aside, they’re still excellent games.
Ninja Gaiden is hands down the best action game series ever, in my opinion.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Aug 15, 2023 1:20:00 GMT
DmC sounds like a very marmite game. I've heard from loads of people who really love it, and then you have all the original Devil May Cry fans who hate it.
Can't comment as I haven't played any of them, but the weird level design looked interesting.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 15, 2023 12:13:06 GMT
Bayonetta 1 is the best game in that series, and Vanquish is arguably the best game Platinum’s ever made, at least top 3 (NieR Automata and Metal Gear Rising being the other two). So absolutely yes. Also could do the Ninja Gaiden Master Collection. “Easy” Sigma versions aside, they’re still excellent games. Ninja Gaiden is hands down the best action game series ever, in my opinion. Vanquish is the best mashing together of every anime fighting move ever. It has some of the worst dialogue going buteits delivered by a cast who knew how bad it was but delivered in such a marvellous way. The depth of the combat in the game is also off the charts, the fact that it actively punishes you score wise for being in cover, how smoking a cigarette has a functional reason for existing, how slowing down time increases grenade radius, how the shotgun is just fucking amazing. Fuck.
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Post by Tuffty on Aug 22, 2023 16:55:41 GMT
Playing DmC was like pulling teeth for me as a fan of the series. Characters completely unrecognisable, desperately trying to be edgy, constantly using 'fuck' like a teenager learning about it first time using it in every situation. Comparing the original Vergil to this one is night and day with how much better the og is as a compelling villain. The gameplay has improved now with the definitive edition but at the time it was 30 fps, already a huge downgrade for a character action game like this and compared to previous games. Then you had colour coded enemies that only took damage to certain weapons and anything else would cause your attack to bounce off, literally. For a game that's all about using every tool you have to create free flowing stylish combos, that is a sin. Even the moves themselves, feels bad. Compare Vergils Killer Bee, the original comes down at speed, you feel the impact almost and in DmC its slow and again bounced off an enemy, feels so weak.
If there's one part of the whole DmC clusterfuck that people forget now was how utterly hostile Ninja Theory was to the fanbase during the game's entire run. Some say the fanbase pushed first and it was true to some extent because the series didnt need the whole Western reboot treatment when DMC4 was successful for Capcom. But what people don't remember is that a lot of the "bad" comments people made towards the game came from sheer confusion. No one seems to mention that instead of clarifying things like a decent human being would do Ninja Theory just went and antagonized the entire fanbase by insisting how terrible the old games were. They even had a presentation showing off the old Dante next to glam rock, Batman Forever, Brokeback Mountain that can't really be construed as anything else other than homophobic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2023 17:01:55 GMT
. But what people don't remember is that a lot of the "bad" comments people made towards the game came from sheer confusion. No one seems to mention that instead of clarifying things like a decent human being would do Ninja Theory just went and antagonized the entire fanbase by insisting how terrible the old games were. They even had a presentation showing off the old Dante next to glam rock, Batman Forever, Brokeback Mountain that can't really be construed as anything else other than homophobic. Yeah, they’re pretty terrible. And their whole “we’re gonna finally make Dante cool” shtick, like no the fuck you’re not. I did like the game as I’ve said before, but it’s in spite of Ninja Theory rather than thanks to them. It still had a substantial amount of Capcom input on the gameplay side, and it shows. I honestly don’t think anything NT has done on their own has been better than a 3. People like Hellblade, but that has to be the clunkiest game I’ve played since the N64. All their budget goes to the cinematics and motion capture alone.
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Post by apollo on Aug 22, 2023 17:45:24 GMT
Ninja theory very much antagonized the entire DMC fanbase, while the devs didn't deserve the threats (which where empty from a bunch of 8 or 28 stone weaklings) It was the start of studios starting to attack the fans for blindly not licking their boots of the dev, take the recent saints row. The studio shat on the past games and were embrassed by them (it seems a lot of the old staff had left and replaced by tumblr bloggers) and it didn't go well for that piece of shit game
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 22, 2023 18:49:57 GMT
That exchange with one of the bosses where they just shout fuck you at each other
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Post by patrick on Aug 22, 2023 20:08:19 GMT
I need to know more about this.
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