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Post by Dougs on Feb 5, 2022 7:22:11 GMT
I would be raging too - but the ire should be on the law. And if it's applied differently in other parts of the pitch, that's equally terrible.
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Post by Frog on Feb 5, 2022 7:31:50 GMT
A screen grab won't really do it, it doesn't show that he had completely lost control of the ball and the hand bought it back into control.
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 5, 2022 7:33:00 GMT
" a cup competition that we stood a decent chance of doing well in" but couldn't beat a "really, really poor " Championship team at home. Ok. Well quite, enjoy your moment but you know last night was a complete and utter freak of a result. |
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Post by Dougs on Feb 5, 2022 7:39:34 GMT
A screen grab won't really do it, it doesn't show that he had completely lost control of the ball and the hand bought it back into control. Meant screen grab of the law. This one His arm is out there for balance, there's not much he can do imo. Similarly, I get annoyed when a defender is penalised for handball when their arms are raised when jumping. No consistency in that application at all. |
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Post by kal on Feb 5, 2022 7:54:37 GMT
This happened to us literally a couple of weeks ago and there was next to zero controversy because everyone seemed to be completely au fait with the rule change.
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Post by Frog on Feb 5, 2022 7:58:58 GMT
It could happen to Liverpool and I would still think it's bullshit.
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Feb 5, 2022 8:10:11 GMT
" a cup competition that we stood a decent chance of doing well in" but couldn't beat a "really, really poor " Championship team at home. Ok. Well quite, enjoy your moment but you know last night was a complete and utter freak of a result. You are right but you have an embarrassment of riches in your team and if I was a fan I'd be exactly that. Embarrassed. I'm not overly fussed tbh. We really don't need a cup run. Ant the new law is also shite. |
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 5, 2022 8:17:38 GMT
I'm not on board with blaming the law because it's not applied that way anywhere else on the pitch. I don't believe it was changed to account for the situation yesterday either and rather that Harry Kane one last year which was him happening to touch the ball as he fell about 5 passes before the goal. Not a clear, obvious handball leading directly to a goal. Absolute nonsense.
It's just an incredibly stupid wording for PGMOL to hide behind and continue to claim "98% of all decisions were correct" as they do every season.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 5, 2022 8:23:45 GMT
But that's the point - the law does appear to be applied differently in these circumstances. It shouldn't, of course, and I agree that anywhere else on the pitch, that gets pulled up. But for some reason, it doesn't in these circumstances (guess the question is should similar elsewhere also be let go but aren't?). Much like offside, the handball laws are just daft and made by people who have never played the game.
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Post by spacein_vader on Feb 5, 2022 8:27:22 GMT
Was it bullshit? Absolutely.
Does it excuse Man Utd failing to beat a Championship team at home, over 120 minutes, while missing a penalty and at least 2 sitters? Absolutely not.
Is it hilarious? Yes, yes it is.
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 5, 2022 8:48:58 GMT
But even the classification of "accidental" is horseshit. He controls the ball by his hand. It's not directly contravening that law if that is pulled up as handball because that specifically convers a vague sense of "accidental".
I'm not buying that as a correct application.
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Post by kal on Feb 5, 2022 9:04:14 GMT
If it hits a legal body part first and then quickly bounces off the arm/hand that is always deemed accidental. Never seen it not interpreted that way.
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 5, 2022 9:09:59 GMT
Was it bullshit? Absolutely. Does it excuse Man Utd failing to beat a Championship team at home, over 120 minutes, while missing a penalty and at least 2 sitters? Absolutely not. Is it hilarious? Yes, yes it is. I agree we should have been out of sight. Bruno should have had 2, Ronaldo 2 and Rashford 2 or 3. It was completely bizarre, particularly the penalty and open goal (lol) miss. |
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 5, 2022 9:12:00 GMT
Anyway I'm still very annoyed about the whole thing and I'll never accept that that's a correct application of handball in any circumstance. I look forward to them not allowing any further such instances from now to the end of the season and the inevitable rewrite of that law in the summer.
Clearly it's nonsense, everyone with eyes knows it's nonsense. It should never be a goal ever.
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Post by kal on Feb 5, 2022 9:16:40 GMT
You seem to have confused United with Spurs.
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Post by RobEG on Feb 5, 2022 9:17:35 GMT
It’s one of those where by the letter of the law, you can argue it’s not handball, but your eyes and common sense tell you it has to be handball. But referees are not given that level of discretion. Every decision is scrutinised to the nth degree so we have laws that try to cover every possible situation arising on the pitch. I’m probably as guilty as anyone when it comes to moaning about referees. I’m sure we all do it. I guess we either lessen the rules and give the referees ability to make their own judgement (while accepting the inconsistencies that will inevitably follow), or try to make rules that cover every single situation on a football pitch, which will lead to situations like last night. Having said all that, I would totally be pissed off if I were a Utd fan. Thankfully, I’m not  |
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Post by simple on Feb 5, 2022 9:28:18 GMT
A screen grab won't really do it, it doesn't show that he had completely lost control of the ball and the hand bought it back into control. Meant screen grab of the law. This one His arm is out there for balance, there's not much he can do imo. Similarly, I get annoyed when a defender is penalised for handball when their arms are raised when jumping. No consistency in that application at all. Wasn’t aware of that new clause, but yeah letter of the law would say the goal is legit despite the handball. Guess its consistency of application across the season which confuses us all. |
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Post by pierrepressure on Feb 5, 2022 9:45:02 GMT
Would it not be easier to say handball is only for those times where it is quite clearly deliberate handball?
Goal line blocks, keepers handling outside area, etc?
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 5, 2022 10:16:27 GMT
Absolutely not. Last year's interpretation was preferable to the current for me. If we still had the old forum that would be verifiable by comments I made last year when everyone else was moaning.
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Post by clemfandango on Feb 5, 2022 10:36:43 GMT
The screen grab is bullshit. Everybody watching the game said it was handball straight away in real time. It was so obvious, he had lost control of the ball and only managed to set up the goal because his hand brought it back under control.
I’m not having the Spurs one was the same
It’s United we get it we are hated, but the decision is bullshit
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Feb 5, 2022 10:39:56 GMT
It was total fucking nonsense but so much of football is these days it's hard to get too wound up about it outside the deep sense of apathy I have.
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Post by clemfandango on Feb 5, 2022 10:48:58 GMT
Absolutely not. Last year's interpretation was preferable to the current for me. If we still had the old forum that would be verifiable by comments I made last year when everyone else was moaning. Even going off this years interpretation it’s still handball anywhere on the pitch. You can’t try and control a ball, lose control and then bring it back under control with your hand outstretched away from your body. I’m absolutely astonished that there are People in here defending the decision. Just watch it in real time when the actual goal was scored, not the replays or screen grabs. |
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Post by JYM60 on Feb 5, 2022 10:54:13 GMT
We were never going to 'do well' in the FA cup lol. Should have already been out against Villa.
And we were poor too. To not even test their keeper (who looked very shit) was criminal.
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Post by simple on Feb 5, 2022 10:59:59 GMT
I didn’t like last year’s “if it hits you you’re done no matter what” version because it didn’t reflect how the game is played. Same as my beef with the one pube over the line robotic version of offside, you need some flexibility to let the game be played.
But when its a decision like last night’s that’s handball all day, even if its an accident (forgive me Boro) without that contact the move is over and the goal isn’t scored. That’s the line for me in a situation like this, that handball is the difference between the passage of play ending and the ball going out of play and the cross and goal happening. If its a significant influence on the progress of the match you’ve got to pull it regardless of intent.
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Post by kal on Feb 5, 2022 11:25:30 GMT
The choice is giving the ref’s permission to use their judgment, and living with inconsistency.
Or having consistency through absolute rules, and living with them sometimes not being in the spirit of the game.
But pundits (and therefore fans) will forever moan about inconsistency when they fall foul of it, then moan about the absolute rules that are brought in to fix the inconsistency.
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Post by dogbot on Feb 5, 2022 11:49:37 GMT
We can whine all we want but if we'd played better and taken one of our multiple chances, it wouldn't have mattered.
United were decent in the first half, but abject in the second and extra time. This team really does need major help.
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Post by jono62 on Feb 5, 2022 12:40:21 GMT
Chelsea losing.
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Post by zephro on Feb 5, 2022 12:49:47 GMT
I am amused that Kiddy are on the telly.
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Post by askew on Feb 5, 2022 12:53:16 GMT
And they're winning \o/
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Post by zephro on Feb 5, 2022 12:56:26 GMT
Pretty amazing! I'm mostly a rugby fan but Kiddy at home at Aggborough is the only football I've ever been to, back when I was a wee nipper. They advertised the local chip shop Captain Cod's on the hoardings.
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