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Post by bichii2 on Oct 30, 2023 11:34:32 GMT
Never played it. But this game is da nutz.
I would rather the case board was better implemented. I like the concept of its but it's often fiddly and you have to do it to progress even if you have worked it out yourself.
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Post by rhaegyr on Oct 30, 2023 11:51:06 GMT
3/5 at EG with particular criticism aimed at the writing.
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Post by harrypalmer on Oct 30, 2023 12:11:54 GMT
Interesting. Most other reviews are praising the writing.
Just watching the Skill Up review and he's gushing all over the literary influences like a horned up and hydrated book person.
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Post by Duffking on Oct 30, 2023 12:16:20 GMT
I'm really loving this, my main complaint so far is that some parts are going a bit OTT on the screamer jump scares. Saga's chapter 5 specifically.
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Post by wunty on Oct 30, 2023 12:16:22 GMT
Lords of the Fallen called me back to it and I'm going to finish that off before returning to this. My take after 6 hours is that graphically it's incredible. I love the characters and what's going on. The gameplay itself isn't really working for me so far unfortunately. There's too much wandering around and not enough action. The writer's room and mind place are just... a little bit annoying tbh. It's very engrossing though so it's a funny one. Yet walking through subway tunnels as Alan, with loads of shadows everywhere but only the odd one actually attacking you, as the rest of the time you just walk and fiddle about with stuff wasn't exactly a highlight. At the moment, Control is the better "game" by far.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 30, 2023 12:26:06 GMT
Edit - in relation to the Eurogamer review.
Reads like the reviewer disliked it more than the three stars they ultimately gave it as well. They really took against the meta-narrative.
I do think context of it being a big AAA game needs to be taken into the perspective though. I've not played it yet, so maybe I will come away agreeing with her remarks, but I think saying that the commentary is only going to be profound if you haven't thought about it before is forgetting that likely the vast majority of people who are going to play this haven't thought about it.
To my mind, much like Nolan with the ideas he presents to mainstream cinema goers, we should be applauding those that trust their audiences to go with big ideas. It might be that the examination of those ideas are ultimately fairly simplistic when compared to someone who is only playing to those of us who already have degrees in English Lit or Media Studies, but those games/films/productions aren't going to have the same impact on their industry.
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Post by JonFE on Oct 30, 2023 12:29:24 GMT
Haven't read the EG review yet, but I admit I expected a higher score from them; their reviews lately seem hit an' miss for me...
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Post by Phattso on Oct 30, 2023 12:29:31 GMT
I just forced myself through the EG review, and it really is a head scratcher. Paragraph after paragraph of what turns effectively into a dissertation on the topic. Like Vandelay says: most people coming to this aren't going to have read half a dozen books on Meta Narratives before sitting down to play.
But it's a review, that's their opinion.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 30, 2023 12:37:44 GMT
I haven't played this yet, but my main disappointment with Control was having a cool and interesting and weird setting... that you just shot waves of identical soldiers in. I wanted the weirdness with just a bit more horror and variety to the gameplay, and from what I've heard so far AW2 may fit the bill.
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Post by bichii2 on Oct 30, 2023 12:38:02 GMT
eg has been random/shit in their reviews for years now. So many random reviews that pick on some point that pretty much every other review praised. Pretending some games don't exist because of someone who worked on the game etc.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 30, 2023 12:44:26 GMT
Personally I value a review that picks on something that other reviews don't, even if it's a point that I don't agree with. It doesn't necessarily make the review "shit", reviewers are people, and people should be allowed to have different opinions.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 30, 2023 12:46:55 GMT
Personally I value a review that picks on something that other reviews don't, even if it's a point that I don't agree with. It doesn't necessarily make the review "shit", reviewers are people, and people should be allowed to have different opinions. Of course that's the whole point of a review. But it didn't really come across as a review of sorts, it felt more like a feature article than anything.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 30, 2023 12:56:52 GMT
Yeah, the AW2 review did feel like it was floundering around to make a point, aside from "look at all these books I've read". I just don't agree with the implication that a review that criticises something everyone else has praised, is a review without merit.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 30, 2023 12:58:17 GMT
That's fair. A review is a review but it needs a good editor to tighten things up. This did not happen here.
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Post by Duffking on Oct 30, 2023 13:01:20 GMT
The review which said the writing needed some editing itself needed some good editing?
PAGING IRONOMAN TO THE THREAD, STAT
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Post by apollo on Oct 30, 2023 13:01:41 GMT
You can disagree with a review but as along as they make a valid point and back it up then I don't see a problem with it but thats not what is happening here. I watch skillup/shillup reviews, even in reviews I don't agree with, he makes good point and backs it up.
Often with EG reviews its often people sniffing their own farts! like the forza review and this reviewer seems to like more of this indie furry visual novel games going by their past reviews. Maybe the wrong choice for this game? I hate NFL games, I would be awful reviewing this games
its the same for all games, its not quite the deep thought they think it is
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 30, 2023 13:06:00 GMT
TBF the Forza review wasn't a review and it seemed unfinished. I don't care if I disagree with the reviewer, as Mola says if they make a good case for their opinion that can be interesting in of itself but there's far too many "reviews" in gaming floating around that don't fulfill the central goal of a review.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 30, 2023 13:09:45 GMT
I am a bit wary about Remedy's writing. I remember the bit after the (pretty disappointing imo) Ashtray Maze in Control, where you've gone through the whole sequence with the Remedy house band playing a shit Nu Rock thing in the background. And after it's all done the main character goes "That. Was. Awesome!"
And it's like, no! No it wasn't! It was a bit shit really! And I wouldn't have necessarily minded that if you had not drawn attention to it and tried to gaslight me into thinking it wasn't shit!
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 30, 2023 13:10:02 GMT
*takes deep breath*
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Post by Derblington on Oct 30, 2023 13:21:53 GMT
You thought the Ashtray Maze was shit?
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Post by anthonyuk on Oct 30, 2023 13:26:39 GMT
I found the Eurogamer review a reminder of why I don't return there anymore. When looking for an informative review of a videogame 13 years in the making, I simply want a review from a genuine fan of videogames. Eurogamer reviews read as if the reviewer is desperate to write about anything but, as they veer off on related or barely related tangents.
Not against looking at games on a deeper level beyond the graphics and mechanics, but over half of that Alan Wake 2 review was self indulgent pretentious waffle, going round in circles to make a point without making any. It read like it hadn't been proof read once, let alone seen by an editor.
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Post by Phattso on Oct 30, 2023 13:29:36 GMT
I mean.... maybe the review is just playing 4D chess with everyone and that it evinces all of the flaws it points out in AW2 is THE WHOLE POINT*!
* it's not
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Post by apollo on Oct 30, 2023 13:31:59 GMT
Sadly the song of the Ashtray Maze was ruined by brexit as its "take control"
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Post by harrypalmer on Oct 30, 2023 13:34:57 GMT
I found the Eurogamer review a reminder of why I don't return there anymore. When looking for an informative review of a videogame 13 years in the making, I simply want a review from a genuine fan of videogames. Eurogamer reviews read as if the reviewer is desperate to write about anything but, as they veer off on related or barely related tangents. Not against looking at games on a deeper level beyond the graphics and mechanics, but over half of that Alan Wake 2 review was self indulgent pretentious waffle, going round in circles to make a point without making any. It read like it hadn't been proof read once, let alone seen by an editor. I agree. As others have said, Skill Up is someone who gets the balance right. EG is pure fluff at this point and I just don't like their reviews any more, which is sad.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 30, 2023 13:38:26 GMT
You thought the Ashtray Maze was shit? No, not shit really. But the way everyone was hyping it up, I thought it was going to be a bit more than a fancy-looking corridor, with waves of identical goons and a shit soundtrack. It wasn't even a maze!
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Post by technoish on Oct 30, 2023 13:44:54 GMT
I just go with Digital Foundry. John Lineman said it was gorgeous, and a good game.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Oct 30, 2023 13:47:04 GMT
I’m surprised so many people enjoy that Skill Up bloke. I watched him enjoy the sound of his own voice for 40 odd minutes once and then swore never again.
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Post by darkling on Oct 30, 2023 13:50:41 GMT
For anything with a narrative, I don't mind abstract reviews because I like a review to tell me why something's good, but not specifically what is good, in order to avoid spoilers
A lot of game and film reviews are blow-by-blow accounts of the plot, which simply isn't a review.
I agree that a lot of recent EGs reviews don't even cover the basics though, such as gameplay.
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Post by Derblington on Oct 30, 2023 13:53:05 GMT
Re. skill-up: He's actually knowledgeable, and adds as much objectivity into the reviews as possible, and way more than most others. He'll break down gameplay and mechanics and then layer his personal likes/dislikes. His reviews do tend to run long but I've never left a review feeling like I didn't understand the game or his point.
And he does it all without talking in constant metaphors, which is my personal issue with ACG. That's a guy that likes the sound of his own voice.
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Post by snackplissken on Oct 30, 2023 13:56:42 GMT
I don't mind polarising reviews, but sometimes I do feel EG try a bit too hard to be that different opinion to everyone else, and hasn't been something that is the last x years, as I remember having a good laugh over Mafia 1 & 2 getting 4/10 way back in the day. I guess it gets them ad revenue.
My go to review person is ACG.
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