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Post by dogbot on Jun 15, 2022 7:52:43 GMT
Wow, that dive is something.
Maybe he just tweaked his hamstring or something as he we... no, I can't.
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Post by dogbot on Jun 15, 2022 7:57:33 GMT
RE: Southgate
He's done an OK job with the best all round crop of players we've had since Italia 90. We got to a final, but I don't think we're going to win anything soon. You can probably put the recent run of results down to a long season and tired players, but if it doesn't pick up soon, the press then the fans will turn (and that's started already) and his only way to return to greatness would be to win the World Cup. And yeah.
Also, the ensure we don't lose before we look to win mentality is utterly dull to watch. In club terms, he's David Moyes. Maybe.
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Post by barchetta on Jun 15, 2022 8:21:45 GMT
Reckon Kane drifted off and thought he was at the pool already.
/No bombing allowed.
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Post by harrypalmer on Jun 15, 2022 8:28:46 GMT
There's a lot of knee-jerking going on. The players are absolutely knackered, both mentally and physically. It doesn't 100% excuse the performances, but it goes a long way to doing so.
Southgate should 100% be the manager at the world cup unless they can get Wenger in.
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Post by senso on Jun 15, 2022 8:32:21 GMT
It was an awful performance, but the players clearly couldn't be arsed and Southgate's ability to motivate his team was tested and he failed.
It also exposed the problems in Southgate's tactics, but I would rather he got humbled in a meaningless friendly than in Qatar. Hopefully he'll look into his system and team selection and make big changes.
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Post by kal on Jun 15, 2022 9:15:51 GMT
It is a competitive tournament. You might consider it meaningless but they’re not friendlies, and they count towards ranking which affects seeding etc.
The England manager will always get overly criticised (in the same way that apparently the Captain will also), but this whole passive ‘playing not to lose’ (and then losing) thing isn’t good enough for this group of players. Yes we managed to almost Greece our way through the Euros but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect more. We have players that would walk into the best club teams in the world. Getting humped at home to Hungary in a competitive game is unacceptable.
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Post by askew on Jun 15, 2022 9:17:16 GMT
I blame Molineux
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Post by snackplissken on Jun 15, 2022 9:24:13 GMT
There's a lot of knee-jerking going on. The players are absolutely knackered, both mentally and physically. It doesn't 100% excuse the performances, but it goes a long way to doing so. Southgate should 100% be the manager at the world cup unless they can get Wenger in. But why are they so knackered? Tournaments are typically held this time of year. Only excuse I see is they got to the final last year, and had little rest until the season started? |
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Post by Gruf on Jun 15, 2022 9:48:24 GMT
Don't the Hungary players play club football as well?
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 15, 2022 10:06:21 GMT
Just saw a Swiss headline “The Hungar Shames” 😂
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Post by kal on Jun 15, 2022 10:08:13 GMT
That’s terrible.
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 15, 2022 10:09:37 GMT
It is, still nowhere near as bad as Kane's dive  |
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Post by dogbot on Jun 15, 2022 10:13:11 GMT
Don't the Hungary players play club football as well? No. Only England players can be tired.  |
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Post by kal on Jun 15, 2022 10:15:32 GMT
It is, still nowhere near as bad as Kane's dive  You must be Hungary if you’re so desperate for a bite. That’s how it’s done. |
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Post by harrypalmer on Jun 15, 2022 10:22:15 GMT
There's a lot of knee-jerking going on. The players are absolutely knackered, both mentally and physically. It doesn't 100% excuse the performances, but it goes a long way to doing so. Southgate should 100% be the manager at the world cup unless they can get Wenger in. But why are they so knackered? Tournaments are typically held this time of year. Only excuse I see is they got to the final last year, and had little rest until the season started? Fair enough. Get Wenger in. |
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Post by dogbot on Jun 15, 2022 10:24:20 GMT
He's too busy revolutionising FIFA with his ideas about World Cups every 37 minutes.
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Post by snackplissken on Jun 15, 2022 10:28:00 GMT
But why are they so knackered? Tournaments are typically held this time of year. Only excuse I see is they got to the final last year, and had little rest until the season started? Fair enough. Get Wenger in. Unsure if he could get Kane to win a trophy. |
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Post by kal on Jun 15, 2022 10:30:47 GMT
I think more than anything our international situation shows how off he pace we are at manager level with the rest of Europe. We’re just starting to see a new generation of English managers like Howe and Potter that have actually got some proper meaningful experience, but they’re still way off the likes of Flick or Mancini.
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Post by dogbot on Jun 15, 2022 10:33:17 GMT
Didn't Mancini's Euro Champions Italy just spectacularly fail to qualify for Qatar?
e2a: that said, there's no doubting his CV is far stronger than Southgate's.
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Post by kal on Jun 15, 2022 10:38:25 GMT
They all fail in the end. It’s just whether they have any success along the way is the point really.
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Post by dogbot on Jun 15, 2022 10:40:58 GMT
Yeah, fair. Mancini was also at the fag end of a really strong generation of players, trying to find that balance between still getting the best out of old warhorses like Chiellini and bringing new players in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 10:49:18 GMT
Get Poch in, I'd much rather him unless you could convince Howe or Potter to take it.
Poch could get this group of players playing some lovely stuff.
I'm not sure who else I'd realistically want.
Wenger is also not too bad a shout.
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 15, 2022 10:57:38 GMT
Get Poch in, I'd much rather him unless you could convince Howe or Potter to take it. Poch could get this group of players playing some lovely stuff. I'm not sure who else I'd realistically want. Wenger is also not too bad a shout. Surely few managers at their peak want an international job these days? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 11:00:30 GMT
No big jobs available so could take it for a few years until 1 pops up. Clem or McMonkey will come in with "Yeah when Ten Hag gets the chop." |
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Post by kal on Jun 15, 2022 11:05:40 GMT
International jobs seem to be increasingly becoming something managers now do earlier in their careers rather than later. Conte, Flick, Enrique etc.
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Post by puddleduck on Jun 15, 2022 11:10:28 GMT
But they took their own nation, which is potentially a harder thing to say no to?
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Post by puddleduck on Jun 15, 2022 11:11:24 GMT
Seeing Wenger mentioned above and now I really want him to be the next England manager.
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Post by TheSaint on Jun 15, 2022 11:15:20 GMT
They are never going to get rid of Southgate before the WC. Wouldn't be surprised to see him step aside after though.
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Post by kal on Jun 15, 2022 11:22:06 GMT
They are never going to get rid of Southgate before the WC. Wouldn't be surprised to see him step aside after though. Truth. And to be honest he probably deserves it having got us there. My Southgate-out-ness is a pretty recent thing really. I fully backed him, but the bad taste left from the final is very hard to get rid of and I’m seeing everything he does through that lens now. |
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Post by Dougs on Jun 15, 2022 11:25:56 GMT
He's the Unai Emery of international football. Successful to a point but way too conservative and gets found out against the big boys, not trusting his team to deliver.
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