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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 20, 2022 23:13:02 GMT
As if Danno thought User Freddie was being tongue in cheek. I had to laugh.
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Post by Danno on Jun 20, 2022 23:16:32 GMT
As if Danno thought User Freddie was being tongue in cheek. I had to laugh. Hope is all I have Jambo |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 20, 2022 23:43:42 GMT
As if Danno thought User Freddie was being tongue in cheek. I had to laugh. Hope is all I have Jambo Honestly it's very commendable. That first post though really told you that the OP was showing their true self.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jun 20, 2022 23:46:04 GMT
It's good that we can solve this here instead of bringing it up in the Woke thread all the time.
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Post by Danno on Jun 21, 2022 0:27:01 GMT
Honestly it's very commendable. That first post though really told you that the OP was showing their true self.
I just saw pure parody. I guess I've been in a cosmopolitan environment for too long. Back to Portsmouth for me to be re-educated |
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Post by Danno on Jun 21, 2022 0:31:54 GMT
With the last 3 pages in mind, could this be locked, then locked into a rather large, heavy, other also locked thing and then dropped into the middle of the Atlantic, please?
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jun 21, 2022 0:33:57 GMT
Which episode of the Simpsons had the bear patrol tax? This kind of reminds me of that.
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Post by Danno on Jun 21, 2022 0:37:48 GMT
Which episode of the Simpsons had the bear patrol tax? This kind of reminds me of that. An Apu episode I think. Poetic. |
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jun 21, 2022 0:40:42 GMT
Those transgenders (bears) destroying the integrity of our letterboxes (sports). THEY HAVE TO BE STOPPED
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Post by Lizard on Jun 21, 2022 1:21:19 GMT
Sport isn't important enough. Thread should be locked before someone says something silly and gets banned.
Worth remembering that there are trans/gender-diverse people on here, IIRC.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Jun 21, 2022 4:00:49 GMT
sport✅ Don't listen to this guy, you are important to me.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 21, 2022 4:56:00 GMT
Seems Rugby League is following suit, and Coe is hinting that athletics might do too.
I think last time I said something along the lines of 'maybe they should wait and see if it actually turns out to be a problem'. Glad to see they're totally ignoring my wisdom as always!
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jun 21, 2022 4:59:49 GMT
They could just have an open category for rugby
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Post by simple on Jun 21, 2022 5:17:30 GMT
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Post by geefe on Jun 21, 2022 7:27:47 GMT
Hang on, what's gender critical?
I know the words, just not the context. This is something I have pushed very far away from me with a big barge pole.
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Post by rawshark on Jun 21, 2022 7:34:29 GMT
I always point to Street Fighter in my belief that men and women should compete together regardless of the sport.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 21, 2022 7:34:42 GMT
It means you spend the day thinking about other peoples genitals
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Post by dfunked on Jun 21, 2022 7:35:25 GMT
Just catching up on this thread... Have we finally solved it, then?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 21, 2022 7:40:01 GMT
Yes. It used to be a show on channel 4 that showed hackey sack, kabaddi and that Nepalese one where you kick around the massive shuttlecock.
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Post by dogbot on Jun 21, 2022 7:44:55 GMT
It's basically the same as a TERF. Gender Critical or Trans Exclusionary (feminism) holds that ones birth gender is immutable, men are men, women are women, trans women are not women and trans men are not men.
Basically, just another group of people who see someone else getting rights and immediately shout "but what about MY rights?", when in fact most rights different groups of people are campaigning for are really just human rights.
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Frankly, I still find it rather staggering that so many people are blinkered or selfish enough to use the plight of other human beings - whether those human beings be straight, gay, PoC, refugees, trans or whatever - as a sort of lever to scream "but what about ME??!", when the likelyhood is actually that it doesn't affect them one iota, their perceived problems caused by [group] are really their own, exacerbated by media and politics and they could happily just ignore what they don't like. Course, that doesn't get any traction on the internet, sell any newspapers or advertising or get politicians elected.
Personally, I find it very difficult to square the idea with removing basic rights to an existence from anyone. Once it starts (and they're starting with Trans folk right now), how long before it's gay people? Then people of different ethnicities, or disabled people?
Ugh. Close to the slippery slope fallacy, I know. Only, history suggests that the more we do remove rights from marginalised groups and persecute them, the worse it gets for everyone except those in charge.
TLDR; people who aren't hurting anyone should just be allowed to live.
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Post by damagedinc on Jun 21, 2022 7:45:17 GMT
Cant we just allow it all, all genders all drugs everything
Think how much more interesting the sport would be
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 21, 2022 8:09:01 GMT
This is one of my issues with banging on about 'the trans issue'. Its seemingly taken from the stance that women arent 1000x more likely to be cheated out of a medal by someone doping.
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Post by cubby on Jun 21, 2022 8:13:23 GMT
I suspect that's one of the motivating factors in the latest decisions. Anything to distract from doping.
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Post by jono62 on Jun 21, 2022 8:22:22 GMT
This is only going to become more commonplace in America when Republicans sweep the midterms.
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Post by Tuffty on Jun 21, 2022 8:22:45 GMT
Had a discussion about this with a coworker and it was the usual shite, trans women are breaking records and it isn't fair etc and it didn't really take that long for him to turn the discussion into that long distance runners from Africa should also be placed into their own category given their natural advantages.
I think that while it matters to some and its a debate that can happen, the discussion gets poisoned into anti trans stuff in general and fuels the argument that being transgender is wrong/unfair etc. There's not going to be a long term solution that everyone can agree with without infringing on the rights of a group of people and I do understand both points of view. I think as it stands right now, with non contact sport, just let them carry on with it until there's enough data to back it up. Contact sport gets a little more hazy for me tho.
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Post by nazo on Jun 21, 2022 8:29:43 GMT
Like some other things, I can't quite understand why some people decide what's really wrong with the world and needs sorting out is trans athletes. World hunger, war, poverty, inequality, cubby's lunches, corruption, bigotry - nope. Attacking trans people - yep! Maybe because it's generally the job of sports governing bodies to make decisions regarding sporting regulations rather than trying to solve world hunger, war, cubby's lunches, internet whataboutery etc?
I don't think it's fair to categorise this as an attack on trans people, clearly some female athletes are concerned and it's an issue that needs addressing. If anything I think it's positive that the debate around it is fairly civilised and mostly around the science (that I've seen anyway).
I read somewhere that a recent survey of the public shows they are largely supportive of trans rights, except on the issue of women's sports, so I think largely it is about the sporting issues rather than culture wars BS.
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 21, 2022 8:32:51 GMT
Like some other things, I can't quite understand why some people decide what's really wrong with the world and needs sorting out is trans athletes. World hunger, war, poverty, inequality, cubby's lunches, corruption, bigotry - nope. Attacking trans people - yep! Maybe because it's generally the job of sports governing bodies to make decisions regarding sporting regulations rather than trying to solve world hunger, war, cubby's lunches, internet whataboutery etc?
I don't think it's fair to categorise this as an attack on trans people, clearly some female athletes are concerned and it's an issue that needs addressing. If anything I think it's positive that the debate around it is fairly civilised and mostly around the science (that I've seen anyway).
I read somewhere that a recent survey of the public shows they are largely supportive of trans rights, except on the issue of women's sports, so I think largely it is about the sporting issues rather than culture wars BS.
I was referring to internet warriors who batter on about this shit and cause pressure on sporting bodies and the like. Captain gammon might use his energy elsewhere in a more productive fashion. |
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 21, 2022 8:48:09 GMT
Is it really that difficult to let transgender sportspeople compete and just see what happens, rather than leaping to conclusions with no evidentiary basis? Why not just do what we'd do with any other new field of research, i.e. gather data and see which way the evidence points?
Combat and contact sports are much trickier needles to thread, for obvious reasons, and I don't know how to deal with those.
With a vanishingly small number of professional trans athletes out there, and next to no concrete data to use, the whole "debate" (such as it is) seems to be driven by guesswork and supposition - combine that with the usual hand-wringing from the right-wing pundits and media outlets, and it's no surprise that any sincere attempt to discuss this issue quickly devolves into a transphobic shitshow.
If actual research were to show that transwomen do indeed dominate ciswomen in elite sports, there would be a discussion to be had about fairness and participation; until then, it's all just culture war background noise.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 21, 2022 8:54:07 GMT
I'm not sure the science really is being looked at that closely though. Empirical evidence exists that shows no trans athletes have dominated their sport. The discussion is being lead more by a gut reaction. I think the gut reaction *is* understandable, to be fair, but if you actually look at the performance of trans athletes this imagined domination simply has not manifested in reality.
I also think it is being used as a wedge issue.
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Post by Resident Knievel on Jun 21, 2022 9:02:49 GMT
This is most certainly is a wedge issue judging by Republican Legislatures in the US trying to push through an avalanche of anti-trans bills with transgender athlete bans in schools being among the first bills to be pushed through.
In the UK comments by Tory ministers, the freezing of progress on gender recognition legislation and a few legal judgements over the past few years don't fill me with confidence that rights won't be slid back over here.
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