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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 14, 2022 20:29:25 GMT
I think Cameron has said $2bn, but that's not the budget of this one film, it's because they've made two back-to-back and spent loads on R&D and new technology, and even (I believe) some development and early footage for the mooted Avatar 4 & 5. So I reckon all of that - two films plus everything else - could be $1bn, and then with marketing and everything and needing it to be profitable, he's saying $2bn. Either that or he just wants to try to make a ton of cash. Well that's just ridiculous if true. |
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Post by Whizzo on Dec 16, 2022 15:32:05 GMT
Because I'm lazy I'll cut and paste what I posted on Twitter.
If you want #Avatar2 to be a lot like the first one with excellent CGI, great 3D, good action scenes and something that looks like an Unreal Engine demo at times you're in for a treat.
If you want humans not acting like Captain Planet villains look elsewhere.
I didn't hate it.
I'm not in a hurry to watch it again.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 17, 2022 11:52:18 GMT
Mark Kermode loved it!
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 17, 2022 12:18:44 GMT
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 17, 2022 19:48:45 GMT
That was a lie btw, Kermode hated it with the fury of a thousand suns.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 18, 2022 7:05:46 GMT
All is right with the world.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 18, 2022 7:08:43 GMT
So yeah... I don't know a single person who's seen this. Maybe they're waiting for Boxing Day, but so far the reaction seems pretty muted to me.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Dec 18, 2022 7:31:18 GMT
Any chance we'll be spared from the other three threatened sequels if this flops?
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Post by darkling on Dec 18, 2022 7:57:47 GMT
Apparently it contains zero character development of any kind, but the smoking gun is it's 3 hours 12 minutes long. It's got "waste of time and money" written all over it.
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Post by aubergine on Dec 18, 2022 8:00:03 GMT
Any chance we'll be spared from the other three threatened sequels if this flops? No. He’s already filmed all the third and a third of the fourth. They’d at least put out the third movie if the second isn’t “profitable” - and the definition of “profitable” will probably look ridiculous to anyone who’s ever worked a real job. It’s projected to take about half a billion in its first week, and probably will. |
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Post by Vandelay on Dec 18, 2022 9:18:27 GMT
I had Friday off and thought I would check to see if there was anything on at my local multiplex.
The Menu - 9.35am
Violent Night - 10.30am
Matilda - something like 12pm, 2pm, 4pm
Avatar - a fuck-ton of times all through the day. Must have been about 25 showing
That was it. A 9 screen cinema only showing 4 films, with 2 of them really early (both of which I wouldn't have minded seeing). I would have seen Matilda if I hadn't already seen it other week.
I didn't bother going. Maybe I'll see Avatar at some point, but the thought of almost 3 and quarter hours of it is really off putting.
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Post by damagedinc on Dec 18, 2022 9:42:46 GMT
Would much rather he spent all that time and money on another exciting IP. Avatar was very much a product of its time. I think with decreasing attendance at the cinema and a lack of interest in 3D this just all feels unnecessary..
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Post by malek86 on Dec 18, 2022 10:00:19 GMT
deadline.com/2022/12/avatar-the-way-of-water-box-office-1235200714/Seems like the opening weekend might be smaller than expected (perhaps they can still make 500 millions thanks to China, if the zero-covid policies don't have too much of an impact), but it's also expected to have legs. IMAX and 3D should also increase the revenue further. I doubt it will get to 2 billions, but analysts seem optimistic. Personally, I'm not interested, but then I didn't watch the first one in theathers either. I only bought the Bluray to test out that snazzy new Full HD plasma.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 18, 2022 10:09:02 GMT
Saw this last night, my god it is interminably long and you feel EVERY minute as nothing really happens in the second third. I am baffled that it took Cameron all this time to make this. Cringey dialogue, characters that I really didn't give a shit about and a plot that is really trying hard to emulate Empire Strikes Back but comes nowhere close, honestly this is probably Cameron's worst film. I think the biggest elephant in the room has to be how 3D didn't really add anything to the film like the first one did other than inflate the ticket price.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Dec 18, 2022 10:26:24 GMT
What's it tracking at?
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Post by malek86 on Dec 18, 2022 10:43:06 GMT
Apparently it did 180 millions worldwide first day, and the first worldwide weekend projection has been revised down to 410 mils. If so, that wouldn't make it the best weekend of the year. I want to say that I'm not too surprised. The movies landscape today is very different from 2009, I'm pretty sure Marvel didn't become a giant until Avengers in 2012. And it sounds like word of mouth isn't that great so far. Of course Avatar 1 started very low-key. But again, things are different now. |
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Post by Vandelay on Dec 18, 2022 11:45:08 GMT
The release of it around this time of year and the fact that there really is nothing else out at the moment is likely to help it. The competition is basically Strange World, which was a flop and going to be on D+ soon, and Matilda, which is great, but unlikely to have much sway over the teenage boy market that mainstream cinema mostly caters for nowadays.
Having said that, I assume Avatar 1 did very well because of repeat viewing. They are going to need people wanting to see it more than once for it to make the big money they are hoping for. Judging by early impressions, that isn't likely.
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Post by malek86 on Dec 18, 2022 11:51:00 GMT
The release of it around this time of year and the fact that there really is nothing else out at the moment is likely to help it. The competition is basically Strange World, which was a flop and going to be on D+ soon, and Matilda, which is great, but unlikely to have much sway over the teenage boy market that mainstream cinema mostly caters for nowadays. Having said that, I assume Avatar 1 did very well because of repeat viewing. They are going to need people wanting to see it more than once for it to make the big money they are hoping for. Judging by early impressions, that isn't likely. I think Avatar 1 did well because people were like "omg this is amazing, you gotta watch it" to their friends, often going there again themselves. How many will say the same about Avatar 2? Even if it did look super amazing, people are just more used to this sort of stuff today, and unlike in 2009 just about everyone has a big TV now. The difficult economic situation will make it harder for people to justify repeat viewings, especially with the higher price of tickets for it, which might even dissuade some first-time viewing (some might just wait until it goes up on streaming, on said big TV). It will have legs thanks to the circumstances, but I don't expect them to be nearly as long as Avatar 1. |
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Post by aubergine on Dec 18, 2022 12:19:16 GMT
Avatar only did so well because it ushered in the modern 3D fad, in the same way the Wii did well because it was packed in with Wii Sports. Everyone bought a ticket to check it out. I think Avatar 2 will do somewhat better than Wii U, but it will be a good metaphor nonetheless. 3D has lost its fad power and the IP itself is garbage.
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Post by geefe on Dec 18, 2022 13:34:09 GMT
I really cannot seeing this being anything other than doing alright, financially. It's been way too long, it's borderline irrelevant as a cultural entity, nobody cares about 3D.
If this was released in summer 2018 during peak Marvel dominance, it wouldn't have registered. It's pretty much the only film out at the moment and will hoover up anybody interested in going to the cinema.
Whether it can get them out to see it is a different story.
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Post by Whizzo on Dec 18, 2022 15:01:39 GMT
Saw this last night, my god it is interminably long and you feel EVERY minute as nothing really happens in the second third. I am baffled that it took Cameron all this time to make this. Cringey dialogue, characters that I really didn't give a shit about and a plot that is really trying hard to emulate Empire Strikes Back but comes nowhere close, honestly this is probably Cameron's worst film. I think the biggest elephant in the room has to be how 3D didn't really add anything to the film like the first one did other than inflate the ticket price. The poor dialogue especially sticks out, you'd think the Na'vi teenagers were from SoCal with all the "bro" chat, it's fucking horrendous.
I'd disagree about the 3D, seeing the Ant-Man trailer in 3D before the film shows how poor a 2D conversion job can be versus something filmed in it from the start, the trouble with it is that it pretty much disappears in action scenes other than "here's a bow shoved in your face." I'd recommend seeing it in 3D over 2D.
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Post by Youthist on Dec 18, 2022 15:09:28 GMT
Just got back. The 3D version. Hands down the best looking film I have ever seen. Incredible immersion and loved the world building and slower paced sections. I could have watched the underwater scenes all day.
So yeah, 9 out of 10 for me. Enjoyed it far more than I expected. And the 3D experience is actually amazing.
Critics giving this one star are way off base.
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Post by Samildanach on Dec 23, 2022 0:51:48 GMT
Just got back. The 3D version. Hands down the best looking film I have ever seen. Incredible immersion and loved the world building and slower paced sections. I could have watched the underwater scenes all day. So yeah, 9 out of 10 for me. Enjoyed it far more than I expected. And the 3D experience is actually amazing. Critics giving this one star are way off base. Complete agreement here. Having just got back from watching it in 3D, me and the missus fecking loved every minute of it. For context however, we loved the original film both back when it was released and also when we watched it again a week ago to get back into the groove. All the Negative Nancys who say these films are rubbish can fly back to their ruined Earth and wallow in their necrotic effluence! |
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Post by aubergine on Dec 23, 2022 3:35:27 GMT
Upvote for necrotic effluence.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 23, 2022 3:50:44 GMT
I'm all about that effluence, it's very comfortable.
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Post by rhaegyr on Dec 23, 2022 8:55:15 GMT
Watched it last night in IMAX/3D and have to side with the critical consensus - it's a good (sometimes great) looking film but it's just dull as dishwater. Don't get the hype about the 3D (and didn't with the original) - experienced better 3D experiences decades ago at Disney World.
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Post by aubergine on Dec 23, 2022 11:51:43 GMT
I'm all about that effluence, it's very comfortable. Zapp Brannigan shouting “Necrotic! Necrotic!” |
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Post by baihu1983 on Dec 27, 2022 18:58:46 GMT
deadline.com/2022/12/avatar-the-way-of-water-box-office-1235200714/Seems like the opening weekend might be smaller than expected (perhaps they can still make 500 millions thanks to China, if the zero-covid policies don't have too much of an impact), but it's also expected to have legs. IMAX and 3D should also increase the revenue further. I doubt it will get to 2 billions, but analysts seem optimistic. Personally, I'm not interested, but then I didn't watch the first one in theathers either. I only bought the Bluray to test out that snazzy new Full HD plasma. About to go over $1B. Not much coming out that's going to slow it down any time soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 1:42:45 GMT
Watched it last night in IMAX/3D and have to side with the critical consensus - it's a good (sometimes great) looking film but it's just dull as dishwater. Don't get the hype about the 3D (and didn't with the original) - experienced better 3D experiences decades ago at Disney World. Captain EO, baby! |
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Post by askew on Dec 30, 2022 20:47:22 GMT
Watched it last night in IMAX/3D and have to side with the critical consensus - it's a good (sometimes great) looking film but it's just dull as dishwater. Don't get the hype about the 3D (and didn't with the original) - experienced better 3D experiences decades ago at Disney World. What rhaegyr said: 9/10 for the technical execution and production – I loved the creature design; 5/10 for the 'film'. It's a retread of the first, and is an hour too long.
I didn't like the experiement with HFR either: it was jarring it being either on or off between shots. Sure, it cleaned up the image, but in certain scenes - not helped by the zoom being used - it really does look like a video game rather than 'film'. There's a close-up of a character toward the end which suffers from it.
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