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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Dec 21, 2021 10:55:08 GMT
The finale already? Hawkeye has been weird. Itās been very enjoyable, thereās obviously been a few big moments and twists, but it also doesnāt feel like much has actually happened. Bit of a misfire for me. In a city that's awash with Alien tech and gadgets is his leather outfit important? Does it have his name tag stitched in it? The Wet Bandit/Tracksuit gang are a one episode joke that's been stretched too thin and the Mum/Jack story line is just a bit meh, with a relatively small cast of characters Mum is the bad guy and Jack is a good guy twist was expected. The last episode was better, I like Black Widow 2 and the Yelena actress (though hamming it up in a Eastern European accent) makes things more interesting. Feels like it's 6 episodes of prologue to the real Kingpin story line. |
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Post by HoriZon on Dec 21, 2021 12:32:54 GMT
Feels like it's 6 episodes ofĀ prologue to the real Kingpin story line. It is heās back in Echo and may we say DD! |
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Post by simple on Dec 21, 2021 14:34:10 GMT
Iām sure I read that Hawkeye was originally proposed or commissioned as a movie and then worked into a tv series after rather than the others all being tv originals which probably accounts for a lot of why it feels like its been so brief. And why you get episodes like feel like two or three scenes stretched out to fit the run time like the car chase episode.
That said Iām enjoying it and it might be my favourite of the four tv shows
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Post by Reviewer on Dec 21, 2021 14:42:58 GMT
Pretty much every marvel show feels like that, including the Netflix ones. No matter how long they are they seem to be at least 50% padding.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 15:40:34 GMT
Saw Spidey last night. Hands up, who wanted to let out a slight sound of disappointment when that Spiderman took off his mask and it wasn't Toby Maguire? Surprisingly, my viewing room had a much louder pop when Andrew came out than when Tobey did. Also, probably the biggest teary "ohhhhhhhh" moment was when he saved MJ. Obviously, nobody read that if you haven't seen No Way Home yet. |
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Post by š on Dec 21, 2021 15:41:14 GMT
A fair bit of the Marvel TV stuff has felt a bit āpost credit stinger extrapolated out to seriesā to be fair. Not a criticism on quality, necessarily. Either that or they fundamentally didnāt matter in the grand scheme of things (boat mortgage basically). Outside of Endgame I donāt think theyāve had a good handle āletās have closure but letās keep things goingā, although I appreciate thatās a difficult thing to pull off.
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Post by brokenkey on Dec 21, 2021 17:53:39 GMT
I can't work out how to do spoilers tags (seriously admins, can you add a button or a permanent tutorial or something)
Anway, in the spider-man film, how come the green goblin is as strong as thanos?
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Post by š on Dec 21, 2021 17:55:16 GMT
On mobile, (spoiler)text here(/spoiler) only use square brackets instead of regular ones. On desktop, thereās a button if you go into the full reply mode and not the quick reply.
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Post by Derblington on Dec 21, 2021 17:55:56 GMT
The serum he took made him strong in the og movie. He threw the dude that was administering the test to him through the glass, and then went toe-to-toe with Spidey later in the film.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 18:04:56 GMT
If I remember correctly, the serum he took in the original 2002 film was trying recreate the Super Soldier serum which created Captain America. The issue with his serum was that it drove the patient insane, in this case, himself.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 21, 2021 18:36:52 GMT
If I remember correctly, the serum he took in the original 2002 film was trying recreate the Super Soldier serum which created Captain America. The issue with his serum was that it drove the patient insane, in this case, himself. Going to have get geeky and say no as Captain America is not in that film universe so there wasn't any Marvel Super Soldier Serum as it were. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 18:48:21 GMT
Someone can rewatch it and verify one way or another, but I don't think that'd stop them from making a reference. They even mention Superman at one point and he isn't even a Marvel.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 21, 2021 18:49:20 GMT
Nah you got it wrong, they actually mention Super Ted. It's an easy mistake to make.
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Post by š on Dec 21, 2021 18:52:39 GMT
I think the novelization had some flavor text about super soldier stuff, and thereās certainly cross references to other Marvel properties here and there (like name dropping Dr Strange in 2) but nothing explicit in 1. I watched it a couple of days ago.
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Post by Saul1138 on Dec 21, 2021 19:16:25 GMT
If I remember correctly, the serum he took in the original 2002 film was trying recreate the Super Soldier serum which created Captain America. The issue with his serum was that it drove the patient insane, in this case, himself. Going to have get geeky and say no as Captain America is not in that film universe so there wasn't any Marvel Super Soldier Serum as it were. Doesnāt Norman demonstrate his super soldier serum to the Army top brass fellow? He thinks it will not get to human trials, and threatens to cut funding so Norman tests it on himself. |
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Post by š on Dec 21, 2021 19:21:08 GMT
Yeah, heās competing with Quest Aerospace for a military weapon contract. Heās doing a suit and glider with a performance enhancing serum, Quest are doing this weird exo mech that looks like the machine from Inner Space.
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Post by crispyxuk on Dec 21, 2021 19:22:12 GMT
Going to have get geeky and say no as Captain America is not in that film universe so there wasn't any Marvel Super Soldier Serum as it were. Doesnāt Norman demonstrate his super soldier serum to the Army top brass fellow? He thinks it will not get to human trials, and threatens to cut funding so Norman tests it on himself. yup |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 21, 2021 19:24:23 GMT
Going to have get geeky and say no as Captain America is not in that film universe so there wasn't any Marvel Super Soldier Serum as it were. Doesnāt Norman demonstrate his super soldier serum to the Army top brass fellow? He thinks it will not get to human trials, and threatens to cut funding so Norman tests it on himself. Yeah, but again it wasn't the Captain America super soldier serum. |
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Post by simple on Dec 21, 2021 23:31:33 GMT
I think its fine to assume the generic supersoldier serum Osborne was making was the army wanting Capās recreated. Thereās nothing to say the Tobyverse didnāt have its own Cap.
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Post by Derblington on Dec 21, 2021 23:42:24 GMT
There is.
The Raimi-verse is just Spidey.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 22, 2021 4:53:38 GMT
Is Into the Spiderverse more or less kid friendly than Spiderman 1/2 and/or Homecoming?
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Post by aubergine on Dec 22, 2021 5:46:07 GMT
I think its fine to assume the generic supersoldier serum Osborne was making was the army wanting Capās recreated. Thereās nothing to say the Tobyverse didnāt have its own Cap. Thereās an army of lawyers. But yeah, it was transparently a Super Soldier Serum substitute, regardless of those werenāt the exact words used in the film. The main spoiler from No Way Home Iāve been wanting to mention is that there are no spoilers, just confirmations of what was obviously going to happen. Aunt May dying was probably the only spoiler, but I wasnāt surprised by it because someone had posted that they cried during the film, so it seemed obvious. I posted a while back that Garfield would save MJ to close an arc for his character, but it was still a really nice moment when it came. |
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Post by Nemesis on Dec 22, 2021 8:10:44 GMT
Is Into the Spiderverse more or less kid friendly than Spiderman 1/2 and/or Homecoming? Itās a PG so thereās fisticuffs, but I donāt remember anything too grim. Itās been ages since I watched it, but the BBFC says itās mild. |
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Post by Nemesis on Dec 22, 2021 8:13:02 GMT
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Post by simple on Dec 22, 2021 8:19:42 GMT
Is Into the Spiderverse more or less kid friendly than Spiderman 1/2 and/or Homecoming? Itās a PG so thereās fisticuffs, but I donāt remember anything too grim. Itās been ages since I watched it, but the BBFC says itās mild. Iād say it was a lot more kid friendly than any of the live action ones |
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Post by Dougs on Dec 22, 2021 8:22:55 GMT
Agreed. It's by far the best Spidey film.
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Post by Reviewer on Dec 22, 2021 8:56:57 GMT
Yeah itās kid friendly but just as good for grown ups. Maybe not great for really young given how much is going on at times. My 5 year old managed about 15 minutes but she doesnāt like anyone being mean to anyone in film/tv.
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Post by Vandelay on Dec 22, 2021 8:57:19 GMT
I posted a while back that Garfield would save MJ to close an arc for his character, but it was still a really nice moment when it came. On No Way Home: I really liked that moment, mainly because the death of Gwen in Amazing Spiderman really annoyed me. She comes in to prove she can hold her own and gets killed for doing it. Although MJ still needs Spiderman to save her here, at least it felt a little like correcting a wrong.
Agree that there wasn't really much that we didn't know in advance. It was quite expected that Maguire and Garfield would appear, despite everyone's denials. |
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Post by aubergine on Dec 22, 2021 11:28:31 GMT
Hawkeye having his head punched clean off by Wilson Fisk was a surprise. is what Iād be saying if Netflix had made this instead of Disney. It was kind of weird seeing VD doing his masterfully twitching psychopath with very PG material. That bit where he is blown up and comically unscathed, not even his shirt is burned, was justā¦ they are unashamedly a cartoon now.
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Post by lexw on Dec 22, 2021 13:42:01 GMT
Hawkeye having his head punched clean off by Wilson Fisk was a surprise. It was a more surprising episode than I expected, though not shocking or anything. However it continued the MCU TV show tradition of the end not being as good as the rest, despite being flashy/expensive - spoilers for the entire episode:
1) Wilson Fisk is clearly superhuman in this, getting hit by a car (hard enough to blow the airbags), multiple close-range explosions, and so on and just walking away.
2) He seemingly gets shot but superhero rules are "unless there's a body shown, they're not dead", and I think the MCU has scrupulously followed this so far. We didn't even see if it was him getting shot or someone shooting Maya/Echo. If they really brought him back to shoot him, after WandaVision brought in Quicksilver just to make a dick joke, we can basically assume anything not clearly MCU is just there for Disney to shit on. But I doubt it due to the lack of a body.
3) Kate's mum wasn't as bad as she initially seemed, wonder if they'll be as realistic as The Incredibles 2 and admit that she'll basically skate because she's a rich person. There's absolutely no realistic way they could get her for the murder of Armand, because a taped confession from an illegal/covert video camera with no chain of evidence will never work in a New York court (or really any court).
4) The boyfriend really was just an idiot who was good with a sword. That was er... weird. Doesn't really explain his behaviour at the auction (including his thievery).
5) The musical (including the post-credits bit) is really weird, because Ant-Man wasn't at the Battle of New York, and indeed, the Battle of New York shouldn't even have taken place in the same way in the post-Endgame, post-Loki, post-blip universe. If we weren't in the middle of a bunch of multiverse stuff, I'd read it as the musical taking artistic licence, here I feel like it suggests something weirder is happening. It's not like the showrunners won't have realized that they "made it weird" lol.
6) Maya/Echo was less murderous than expected re: her boyfriend. After all that I expected her to try to kill him, but she gave him multiple chances to run away with her before he tried to kill her.
7) I understand nothing about this dumb watch. Why does Hawkeye's wife like it so much? Does she even really know the Avengers except when they hung out that one time? Is that a SHIELD symbol on the back? Am I supposed to understand something here or is it just an ugly Rolex?
Other thoughts - this was actually kind of one of the weaker episodes in some ways because it was very action-y, and even the emotional parts were couched in action-y stuff. Lots of good one-liners and so on, but like every single MCU show except maybe Loki, it felt like it slumped a bit into a "typical Marvel ending" with a lot of unnecessary fighting which wasn't very exciting and a slightly limp resolution (Wanda gets off lightly, Kate's mum is unbelievably arrested, Falcon/Cap2 gives a magical speech which solves world peace, etc.).
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Rice instead of bread though? Yeah, keep it thanks.