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Post by FlexibleFeline on Oct 13, 2023 7:53:46 GMT
I envy those of you who can actually exercise some self-restraint.
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Post by JonFE on Oct 13, 2023 8:03:04 GMT
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Post by neems on Oct 13, 2023 8:03:21 GMT
I played a couple of hours when it went live, seems good so far. I haven't beaten Pieta yet, but she doesn't seem insurmountable, just need to learn the moves and focus.
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Post by Ulythium on Oct 13, 2023 8:09:41 GMT
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Post by wunty on Oct 13, 2023 8:17:21 GMT
I played a couple of hours when it went live, seems good so far. I haven't beaten Pieta yet, but she doesn't seem insurmountable, just need to learn the moves and focus. I actually really like the moves she has. Nothing seems unfair. Like you say, it's just learning them and staying focused. I presume after her we'll at least be able to upgrade our weapons. My spear isn't doing much damage and with horizontal sweeping attacks it's making things tricky. The one thing I soon realised is it pays to stay as close to her as possible.
I did also get invaded early on, which was nice.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Oct 13, 2023 8:30:57 GMT
Pieta. That fucking laser beam.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 13, 2023 8:40:34 GMT
Whether or not that's the worst part of the game isn't relevant to the point I'm making. But it does demonstrate it being a case of cutting corners and negatively affecting the game, so it's a valid complaint Reskins/reusing bosses as enemies has always been a bit rubbish. If a game relies on it too heavily, especially when the core gameplay is learning attack patterns, I don't see the issue with it being a criticism
It's definitely an issue I had with Elden Ring and something that stopped me wanting to play it
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Post by wunty on Oct 13, 2023 8:40:37 GMT
I haven't read the review but bosses-becoming-mobs is an odd one - Capra Demon, anyone? It's been there since the beginning as you say. Mine is downloading now and at about 19 this evening I'll get to dip in. I can't wait to be honest. And I really disliked the first Lord of the Fallen (love The Surges, though). I'm a total sucker for Soulslikes and have bought pretty much every one, even though many end up unfinished, from janky ropey shite like Hellpoint, to intriguing but flawed ones like Thymesia (got stuck on a fast-moving boss, my usual kryptonite). I do like a soulslike also. Ha, I liked Hellpoint. Quite a lot actually. Although it IS (and remains) super janky. Some cool ideas there with the black hole hour etc. Never got around to Thymesia actually. I loved both Surge games. Second one was fucking brilliant. Did you play Mortal Shell?
Still got other soulslikes installed I never got around to. Asterigos (which is a bit soulslike apparently), Steelrising and even Dolmen. I even tracked down a disc copy of Immortal Unchained but that is one janky step too far really.
I'll need to get Lies of P. The supposed linearity puts me off. That's the funny thing about that Gamespot review. Huge sprawling levels that they cite as a negative actually appeals to me.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Oct 13, 2023 8:47:33 GMT
Whether or not that's the worst part of the game isn't relevant to the point I'm making. But it does demonstrate it being a case of cutting corners and negatively affecting the game, so it's a valid complaint Reskins/reusing bosses as enemies has always been a bit rubbish. If a game relies on it too heavily, especially when the core gameplay is learning attack patterns, I don't see the issue with it being a criticism
It's definitely an issue I had with Elden Ring and something that stopped me wanting to play it
Understood - I think my perspective is more positive, that it's a way of demonstrating how you've become more powerful, and one many souslikes use: shadows of Yharnam from Bloodborne is another example that comes to mind. Re: the specific example, while Demon's Ruins and Lost Izalith are unfinished, and are ropey in various ways, the fact that a load of Capra and Taurus dwell there is logically consistent with the nature of the locations (i.e. where the demons are from). |
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Oct 13, 2023 8:52:24 GMT
I haven't read the review but bosses-becoming-mobs is an odd one - Capra Demon, anyone? It's been there since the beginning as you say. Mine is downloading now and at about 19 this evening I'll get to dip in. I can't wait to be honest. And I really disliked the first Lord of the Fallen (love The Surges, though). I'm a total sucker for Soulslikes and have bought pretty much every one, even though many end up unfinished, from janky ropey shite like Hellpoint, to intriguing but flawed ones like Thymesia (got stuck on a fast-moving boss, my usual kryptonite). I do like a soulslike also. Ha, I liked Hellpoint. Quite a lot actually. Although it IS (and remains) super janky. Some cool ideas there with the black hole hour etc. Never got around to Thymesia actually. I loved both Surge games. Second one was fucking brilliant. Did you play Mortal Shell?
Still got other soulslikes installed I never got around to. Asterigos (which is a bit soulslike apparently), Steelrising and even Dolmen. I even tracked down a disc copy of Immortal Unchained but that is one janky step too far really.
I'll need to get Lies of P. The supposed linearity puts me off. That's the funny thing about that Gamespot review. Huge sprawling levels that they cite as a negative actually appeals to me.
I did like Hellpoint up to a, er, point, in fact. Then it just lost me. Try Thymesia - I was quite impressed, well worth picking up for cheap. And, yep, certainly did play - and finish, hurrah, Mortal Shell. An interesting central gimmick / mechanic, but not my favourite overall. Steelrising is great, I really enjoyed it. The combat is very satisfying and the setting / ambience just a bit bonkers (close to Lies of P in this sense). The Surge 2 is probably my favourite of all the knock-offs (I don't mean to be disparaging...maybe I should say non-From ones). Just a brilliant, underrated game. Or maybe it was my favourite as Lies of P is right up there - don't be put off by the linearity. It serves the game well, and it's not as though you are simply going down a straight corridor. There are lots of loops and offshoots, and some pretty great shortcuts. It feels tight and focused, but I didn't feel shortchanged. I just need to get good at the boss fights! |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 13, 2023 8:53:20 GMT
Yeah, it's not always bad (also haven't read the review) but it depends how much it's used and if it's purely padding or because the enemies are actually fun and worth a second outing
The issue with the Capra Demons is that it's just a conga line of them one after the other and clearly no thought has gone into it
Haven't played a Souls game since DS3 and didn't fancy Lies of P, hopefully this is quite good. Have been tempted to try ER again but then look in the ER thread and see that even people who love it and think it's the best game ever haven't even finsished it (but are also weirdly clamouring for DLC)
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Oct 13, 2023 8:57:06 GMT
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Post by wunty on Oct 13, 2023 9:10:06 GMT
I'll definitely grab Lies of P after LotF. It does look good. Just knew that LotF was on the horizon and it was more my thing, setting wise.
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Post by wunty on Oct 13, 2023 9:11:56 GMT
Have been tempted to try ER again but then look in the ER thread and see that even people who love it and think it's the best game ever haven't even finsished it (but are also weirdly clamouring for DLC) Don't let that miscreant Danno speak for us all. Most of us most definitely did finish it. Multiple times (I platinumed it before stopping - touch me). |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 13, 2023 9:15:45 GMT
Oh really. How long did it take you to play through it? Are the sidequests fuck up-able? That's one of the things that puts me off as it's such a long game, I'd worry about messing them up
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Post by wunty on Oct 13, 2023 9:17:01 GMT
Yeah the sidequests are as obscure and fuckupable as you would expect them to be.
Erm. I think my first play was about 80 hours but I can't really remember.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Oct 13, 2023 9:23:33 GMT
I'm on about 130 hours and a 3rd playthrough. My first was about the same as Wunty's give or take 10 hours. I tend towards being a completionist, and you could mainline it much more quickly, missing massive swathes of the game. This also may well happen by accident. I adore it - it's probably my favourite - but I do understand why progression can be seen as problematic, including the sheer obscurity of progressing certain side quests.
This, btw, is something Lies of P does very nicely. Got a quest to complete? A picture of the relevant character will appear next to the relevant Stargazer (bonfire) on the selection screen. Thank fuck for that.
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Post by wunty on Oct 13, 2023 9:34:05 GMT
They thankfully add NPCs on the map now as well after a few updates, which makes things easier. Back in my day, it was all fields.
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Post by wunty on Oct 13, 2023 9:34:34 GMT
This boss is in my head now. FFS. I'll need to kill her later.
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Oct 13, 2023 9:35:56 GMT
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Post by neems on Oct 13, 2023 10:45:48 GMT
A few comments on the thread so far -
I only played the demo for The Surge and it didn't grab me, but Surge 2 is great.
Elden Ring is utterly amazing, and Alison absolutely should play it. The biggest problem with Elden ring is that you can't unplay it; if I could get amnesia and play it again I would.
I tried Lies of P on Gamepass - it looks good and runs well on my ageing pc (a miracle at this point), but it just didn't grab me. It just feels lacking somehow.
On the other hand, I am working from home and forcing myself not to play LofF, I can hear it calling to me...
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Oct 13, 2023 13:12:19 GMT
I had a quick go at lunch - this is what I mean about lacking self-restraint - and I really think you need to hold off from playing it until it's patched. Maybe it's just bad luck but I got stuck on the visual options screen (ffs) and it wouldn't accept my input, so had to close and restart. Once playing, the first thing my son said is how shit the frame rate is. At various times it didn't register my inputs until I'd hammered them a few times. Then, perhaps worst of all, I got stuck fighting a mob, couldn't move, couldn't attack, couldn't do anything, got killed, sent to umbral (the nether world thingy), and the mob kept attacking me in umbral...so I turned it off before I lost my shit (by which I mean souls, not getting angry).
Apart from this - the fact it clearly doesn't work properly yet - it looks like it's got potential. I'm pretty impressed by the umbral stuff and various original mechanics it's bringing to the game.
But hold off for now, at least from buying the Series X version.
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Post by gibroon on Oct 13, 2023 13:15:21 GMT
Oh really. How long did it take you to play through it? Are the sidequests fuck up-able? That's one of the things that puts me off as it's such a long game, I'd worry about messing them up I was about 120 hours but scoured the land for everything in first playthrough. 2nd playthrough about 60 hours. |
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Post by wunty on Oct 13, 2023 13:58:49 GMT
I had a quick go at lunch - this is what I mean about lacking self-restraint - and I really think you need to hold off from playing it until it's patched. Maybe it's just bad luck but I got stuck on the visual options screen (ffs) and it wouldn't accept my input, so had to close and restart. Once playing, the first thing my son said is how shit the frame rate is. At various times it didn't register my inputs until I'd hammered them a few times. Then, perhaps worst of all, I got stuck fighting a mob, couldn't move, couldn't attack, couldn't do anything, got killed, sent to umbral (the nether world thingy), and the mob kept attacking me in umbral...so I turned it off before I lost my shit (by which I mean souls, not getting angry). Apart from this - the fact it clearly doesn't work properly yet - it looks like it's got potential. I'm pretty impressed by the umbral stuff and various original mechanics it's bringing to the game. But hold off for now, at least from buying the Series X version. They released a statement saying the Xbox version essentially wouldn't be ready at launch and needs work to bring it up to parity with PC and PS5. Considering these versions ALSO need work... It's pretty poor show. I'm not going to rant because although it's justified, they are far from the first dev to be caught with their pants round their ankles at launch. It's a sign of the times and - sadly now more than ever - a signal that unless you're prepared to have shit like this happen, then don't get a game at launch any more. It's fucking shit, but it seems as though it's becoming the norm. It's been happening for years. I have tolerance, but less than I used to. I bought The Surge 2 at launch, for example, and played the whole fucking game without the textures loading in properly. Took weeks to get it patched. I've never experienced the full game as it's actually meant to look. It looked like a smeary mess. Look at NMS, look at Cyberpunk, look at [insert random game here]. It's fucking crap. As I say though, personally, I'll put up with it because I want to play the game, but my issues aren't as bad as your issues. |
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 13, 2023 14:06:19 GMT
"Please understand."
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Post by Derblington on Oct 13, 2023 14:12:51 GMT
I wonder if the slight delay on the Xbox patch is Series s related.
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Post by neems on Oct 13, 2023 14:32:19 GMT
Ave it Pieta you beeotch. Get in!
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Oct 13, 2023 14:59:16 GMT
I had a quick go at lunch - this is what I mean about lacking self-restraint - and I really think you need to hold off from playing it until it's patched. Maybe it's just bad luck but I got stuck on the visual options screen (ffs) and it wouldn't accept my input, so had to close and restart. Once playing, the first thing my son said is how shit the frame rate is. At various times it didn't register my inputs until I'd hammered them a few times. Then, perhaps worst of all, I got stuck fighting a mob, couldn't move, couldn't attack, couldn't do anything, got killed, sent to umbral (the nether world thingy), and the mob kept attacking me in umbral...so I turned it off before I lost my shit (by which I mean souls, not getting angry). Apart from this - the fact it clearly doesn't work properly yet - it looks like it's got potential. I'm pretty impressed by the umbral stuff and various original mechanics it's bringing to the game. But hold off for now, at least from buying the Series X version. They released a statement saying the Xbox version essentially wouldn't be ready at launch and needs work to bring it up to parity with PC and PS5. Considering these versions ALSO need work... It's pretty poor show. I'm not going to rant because although it's justified, they are far from the first dev to be caught with their pants round their ankles at launch. It's a sign of the times and - sadly now more than ever - a signal that unless you're prepared to have shit like this happen, then don't get a game at launch any more. It's fucking shit, but it seems as though it's becoming the norm. It's been happening for years. I have tolerance, but less than I used to. I bought The Surge 2 at launch, for example, and played the whole fucking game without the textures loading in properly. Took weeks to get it patched. I've never experienced the full game as it's actually meant to look. It looked like a smeary mess. Look at NMS, look at Cyberpunk, look at [insert random game here]. It's fucking crap. As I say though, personally, I'll put up with it because I want to play the game, but my issues aren't as bad as your issues. Ah crap. I wish I'd seen that. I could have gone for the PS5 version. That's on me. I guess, or hope, when I return from the UK, it will be fixed. I do want to reiterate I was pretty damn excited by what I played, just frustrated it wasn't working as it should. |
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Post by wunty on Oct 13, 2023 15:12:23 GMT
Ave it Pieta you beeotch. Get in! Tips? Going to have another go at her (ooo err) later tonight. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 13, 2023 15:17:11 GMT
I had a quick go at lunch - this is what I mean about lacking self-restraint - and I really think you need to hold off from playing it until it's patched. Maybe it's just bad luck but I got stuck on the visual options screen (ffs) and it wouldn't accept my input, so had to close and restart. Once playing, the first thing my son said is how shit the frame rate is. At various times it didn't register my inputs until I'd hammered them a few times. Then, perhaps worst of all, I got stuck fighting a mob, couldn't move, couldn't attack, couldn't do anything, got killed, sent to umbral (the nether world thingy), and the mob kept attacking me in umbral...so I turned it off before I lost my shit (by which I mean souls, not getting angry). Apart from this - the fact it clearly doesn't work properly yet - it looks like it's got potential. I'm pretty impressed by the umbral stuff and various original mechanics it's bringing to the game. But hold off for now, at least from buying the Series X version. They released a statement saying the Xbox version essentially wouldn't be ready at launch and needs work to bring it up to parity with PC and PS5. Considering these versions ALSO need work... It's pretty poor show. I'm not going to rant because although it's justified, they are far from the first dev to be caught with their pants round their ankles at launch. It's a sign of the times and - sadly now more than ever - a signal that unless you're prepared to have shit like this happen, then don't get a game at launch any more. It's fucking shit, but it seems as though it's becoming the norm. It's been happening for years. I have tolerance, but less than I used to. I bought The Surge 2 at launch, for example, and played the whole fucking game without the textures loading in properly. Took weeks to get it patched. I've never experienced the full game as it's actually meant to look. It looked like a smeary mess. Look at NMS, look at Cyberpunk, look at [insert random game here]. It's fucking crap. As I say though, personally, I'll put up with it because I want to play the game, but my issues aren't as bad as your issues. That's fucking bullshit. I hate how's it become acceptable to release games in a shocking state and expect people to pay full price while writing a please understand statement. |
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