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Post by magicpanda on Jan 23, 2024 10:14:09 GMT
6 Million in 4 days.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 23, 2024 12:04:10 GMT
People just want a modern Pokemon, it really is that simple. If this doesn't give Nintendo a kick up the arse, I don't know what will.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2024 12:10:35 GMT
A wider choice of consoles to play it on would be nice too.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 23, 2024 12:12:09 GMT
Isn't Digimon already a Pokemon rip off?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 23, 2024 12:49:46 GMT
If you really want to drill down into it, Pokemon ripped off Dragons Quest pretty badly in the first place with their monster designs.
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Post by Tuffty on Jan 23, 2024 13:02:49 GMT
There have been plenty of what you would call Pokemon knockoffs out there in the years which are all pretty good and really should be given more attention. Digimon Cyber Sleuth, Cassette Beasts even Shin Megami Tensei to some extent. I think all this talk of hoping for a boot up the arse isn't really gonna do much. They can afford to do the minimum and still break their own records. I dont think Palworld would be as successful if not on gamepass and it wasn't at a pretty low price point. And while the accusations of using AI are unfounded, there's evidence to suggest it is a shameless ripoff of Pokemon at worst, right down to using the same models for a lot of its cast and then reworking them ever so slightly.
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Post by rhaegyr on Jan 23, 2024 13:04:06 GMT
It'll be forgotten about in a few months.
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Post by Duffking on Jan 23, 2024 13:14:12 GMT
There have been plenty of what you would call Pokemon knockoffs out there in the years which are all pretty good and really should be given more attention. Digimon Cyber Sleuth, Cassette Beasts even Shin Megami Tensei to some extent. I think all this talk of hoping for a boot up the arse isn't really gonna do much. They can afford to do the minimum and still break their own records. I dont think Palworld would be as successful if not on gamepass and it wasn't at a pretty low price point. And while the accusations of using AI are unfounded, there's evidence to suggest it is a shameless ripoff of Pokemon at worst, right down to using the same models for a lot of its cast and then reworking them ever so slightly. This. Cassette Beasts is excellent. Plenty of Pokemon alikes that don't wholesale rip it. Though to be fair, this isn't even a Pokemon alike anyway? It is apparently more like Ark but less buggy. But the thing with the imitators is that even if they have similar ideas for monsters, they have their own art styles, and I don't think you can argue that Palworld isn't directly mimicing that style.
Which still probably wouldn't be that much of a problem, but the AI stuff is obfuscating the real issue here, AI 3D modelling is nowhere near capable of outputting what is in the game. The issue is the possibility that some of the monsters may have started life as direct rips of models from Pokemon which were then modified/combined to make new ones.
I am laughing at the "yeah, stick it to the man" crowd though, as if standing up to capitalism is achieved by just making billions of dollars through capitalism.
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Post by Tuffty on Jan 23, 2024 13:15:50 GMT
Yeah if people believe this is all AI generated then they've been hoodwinked into thinking AI art is better than it currently is.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 23, 2024 13:16:29 GMT
Pokemon does leave a lot on the table. I know they want to protect their family brand and all that but its now mature enough to be 'deconstructed' and other people are doing it. I watched something on Netflix a while ago called 'My Daemon' where someone does the inevitable 'what if superman was evil?' thing with Pokemon. The horrors of 'trainers' actually enslaving living weapons and how brutal and fucked up that world would be.
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Post by rajin on Jan 23, 2024 18:23:58 GMT
There have been plenty of what you would call Pokemon knockoffs out there in the years which are all pretty good and really should be given more attention. Digimon Cyber Sleuth, Cassette Beasts even Shin Megami Tensei to some extent. I think all this talk of hoping for a boot up the arse isn't really gonna do much. They can afford to do the minimum and still break their own records. I dont think Palworld would be as successful if not on gamepass and it wasn't at a pretty low price point. And while the accusations of using AI are unfounded, there's evidence to suggest it is a shameless ripoff of Pokemon at worst, right down to using the same models for a lot of its cast and then reworking them ever so slightly. Sorry to be that guy but SMT can never be a Pokemon knockoff since its far older (1990). Cassette Beast looks really good and will definitely try it. |
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Post by gamecat on Jan 23, 2024 18:26:02 GMT
This Ark / Conan/ Pokemon mish-mash is now has the 2nd highest concurrent player count ever on Steam, overtaking Counterstrike earlier today.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jan 23, 2024 18:26:52 GMT
Haven't paid any attention to it as I couldn't give a shit but my youngest seems to be interested so I had to check it out.
This is literally Pokémon but with guns. Have nintento done a Pokemon Red, White & Blue?
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Post by JuniorFE on Jan 23, 2024 18:29:53 GMT
Haven't paid any attention to it as I couldn't give a shit but my youngest seems to be interested so I had to check it out. This is literally Pokémon but with guns. Have nintento done a Pokemon Red, White & Blue? Yes, actually! Just not in the same generation (Red/Blue were the originals, Black/White were Gen 5) |
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Post by JuniorFE on Jan 23, 2024 18:36:31 GMT
On discussions of rip-offs: www.rockpapershotgun.com/does-palworld-break-pokemons-copyright-we-asked-a-lawyerThe general gist seems to be that it would be difficult to argue copyright infringement... However, there's a level of similarity in the 3D models that would be almost if not completely impossible to have unless the Palworld models were outright copying (or at least very closely tracing) Pokemon models... And also that any level of associating Pokemon with guns that would result from Pals with guns would also be a potential avenue for a lawsuit (distorting people's impressions of Pokemon, as if Pokemon are endorsing the Pals/guns association). All of the above through talks with both lawyers and 3D modelers |
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Post by Whizzo on Jan 23, 2024 18:43:05 GMT
It's not like Nintendo have ever been incredibly litigious in the past.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jan 23, 2024 18:43:15 GMT
Anyway, for my part I'm eagerly awaiting the next Pokemon games now that Gamefreak's pants are surely on fire* from Palworld's current success regardless of what happens legally  *may or may not be wishful thinking |
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Post by JuniorFE on Jan 23, 2024 18:44:13 GMT
It's not like Nintendo have ever been incredibly litigious in the past. Whyever would you have that impression /s |
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Post by Tuffty on Jan 23, 2024 20:12:33 GMT
In the talk about what Nintendo would do, they've actually come for this and threatened legal action against him. Now mind you, he was looking to sell the mod so that was incredibly stupid. But given how quick they were to react to this, the fact that they haven't made legal action against Palworld might be an indication of it being acceptable copying? Or perhaps it might change as the game is wildly successful. |
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Post by zagibu on Jan 23, 2024 20:26:14 GMT
What makes you think Nintendo hasn't already threatened legal action against the Palworld makers? Would be pretty stupid of both sides to publish that before it becomes public information anyway.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 23, 2024 20:31:47 GMT
Would think we would have heard something by now. Game was announced 3 years ago.
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Post by simple on Jan 23, 2024 22:12:53 GMT
People just want a modern Pokemon, it really is that simple. You don’t need to tell me, I tapped out after Diamond/Pearl. |
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Post by JuniorFE on Jan 23, 2024 22:17:51 GMT
People just want a modern Pokemon, it really is that simple. You don’t need to tell me, I tapped out after Diamond/Pearl. FWIW Black/White and their sequels are now generally considered the high point of the main series (and I maintain Legends Arceus is also pretty damn good), plus you missed out on Platinum as well if you stopped immediately after Diamond/Pearl |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2024 1:33:08 GMT
'A fuack is slacking off'. The fucking slack fuack.
A lot of this is a bit shoddy, but hunting for glowing statues in the dark is fun.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 24, 2024 7:11:00 GMT
People just want a modern Pokemon, it really is that simple. If this doesn't give Nintendo a kick up the arse, I don't know what will. I don't play them so I don't really know what a modern pokemon would be, but given that Scarlet/Violet seems to be a full 3 world you can run around in, even with your mates, I'm interested to know what makes it not a modern pokemon? |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 24, 2024 8:18:42 GMT
It’s still fundamentally the same game in terms of what the player can actually do and what the game wants you to do and when they do change things off, like in sun and moon and Arceus, they back off it again in the next one. And Violet struggled to get even a PS3 era open world going. It’s one of the jankiest games I’ve ever seen.
It just feels very old and, really, it’s because it is. It sticks pretty slavishly to a 30 year old formula even with very incremental QoL improvements.
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Post by Duffking on Jan 24, 2024 9:45:50 GMT
This isn't really a "modern" pokemon either though, and a significant chunk of it isn't a pokemon, but an Ark clone but with cutesy monsters. And we already know that the steam crowd go nuts for whatever survival craft em up is the new hotness. Remember Valheim?
People want a pokemon that has had some modicum of effort put into it, more than anything. Rather than just churned out in a year or two with obviously zero budget put into it. Nothing wrong with sticking to formula at all, it just needs them to actually deliver on the formula in a way that isn't completely fucking half arsed for a change. They can't even be bothered to do proper dungeons any more.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 24, 2024 9:56:25 GMT
They did say Ark had the biggest influence on them when development first started.
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Post by simple on Jan 24, 2024 10:13:55 GMT
Having recently watched all of them with my boy its not just the Pokemon games that are basically identical with every iteration - each new Pokemon anime series does it too.
Its like they perfected the formula on day one and since then every new generation is designed to be an entry point for new players / a target demographic of children apparently blind to the fact that they also have an older audience who have outgrown entry point games.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 24, 2024 10:47:43 GMT
People want a pokemon that has had some modicum of effort put into it, more than anything. Rather than just churned out in a year or two with obviously zero budget put into it. Nothing wrong with sticking to formula at all, it just needs them to actually deliver on the formula in a way that isn't completely fucking half arsed for a change. They can't even be bothered to do proper dungeons any more. The first thing you see on the palworld trailer is actual graphics, it goes a long way for sure. But, yeah, I don't mean the same but different I mean really anything even if its Rust with Pokemon. I think in some ways they misunderstand what people love about Pokemon and I think the lore is strong enough to shoehorn into other things (like Pokken, which is excellent). But, yes, if you aren't going to shake things up, at least look like you give a shit. Violet is so low effort. |
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