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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 1, 2021 23:22:44 GMT
Your frenzy gauge is affected by your insight level (the higher your insight, the lower your resistance) and the grey wolf armour (I think) has the best frenzy protection. I usually wear it when up against the winter lanterns. Also sedatives, obvs. I still hate them. Bell ringers, just ignore the enemies and chase them down. Not too bad if you know/remember where they are. No where near as bad as the chalice dungeon that has 2 of them summoning 4 enemies each
And good going - I think she's great!
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Post by Samildanach on Sept 2, 2021 0:05:08 GMT
Now that I have experienced them all, I thought I'd rank the Chalice bosses. For reference I thought all the bosses of the main game (required and optional) were excellent without a weak link. Even the lesser-liked ones such as Micolash, Witches, Rom and One Reborn were inventive and different hence I thought were great. The Chalice exclusive bosses however are more of a mixed bag, so let's see how they fair from worst to best:
Worst: Boar, Silverbeast and Brainsucker These are great enemies in the main game, but seem rather sad and pathetic on their own as 'bosses'. Even a random NPC boss would have been better than these wastes of spaces.
Merciless Watcher trio - Another non-boss really, but at least you never find them as a set of three in a small space outside this encounter, so there is that. Unfortunately they are a bit slow and ponderous to make the fight anything but a bit forgettable.
Beast-possessing Soul - Still not quite a proper boss, though at least it can sit at the mini-boss variety rather than just a common strong enemy. No phase 2, dull design and tedious attacks make it a rather irritating and unfun encounter.
Forgotten Madman and Escort - The best of the not-really-bosses, this NPC duo at least are fun to fight...and they have a unique look and armour set, so well done to them.
Undead Giants - Finally into actual proper boss material, but these three types all sit at the bottom of all true Bloodborne bosses in quality, design and enjoyment to fight. They can be tough, but not in a good way. The blades one is not too bad as a Chalice entry level boss but the Cannon and Chains versions had mostly all very irritating attacks.
Pthumerian Descendant - Very close to the next one better on the list, it just loses out by its attacks that seem to be almost missing an animation frame or two. Maybe I don't have razor sharp reflexes but some of the attacks hit you within a split second of starting. Not that fun to fight but at least more dynamic than the Giants.
Keeper of the Old Lords - An alright boss (which in Bloodborne puts it near the bottom) that does nothing wrong but also isn't anything remarkable. Thank Oedon they didn't include those demonic dogs!
Bloodletting Beast - Not quite up to the standard of the main game bosses due to camera issues, this beastie at least is pretty fearsome and I enjoyed it once I had got used to dancing round and under him, even if I couldn't see what he was doing half the time.
Pthumerian Elder - Now we are into the good stuff and this guy is up to main game boss standard. Fun to fight, if a little easy, his warping and transforming staff make for some great moments.
Watchdog of the Old Lords - A great boss both in visual design and mechanics, it is no wonder they put it at the end of the first Chalice to entice people in deeper. The true version in the Cursed Chalice allows you to properly learn to beat it, so both encounters are well placed. Great stuff!
Abhorrent Beast - Such a good boss fight that they sneaked him into the main game! Looks amazing and is hyper aggressive, but also in a manageable and fair way once you get his timings down. Other than his sneaky punch, all moves can be avoided if you stay agile and clever.
The Best: Yharnam, Pthumerian Queen - She might not be the hardest or even the most fun to fight, but my goodness what a great design. Really a perfect end to the Chalices and Bloodborne as a whole, bringing in the themes of blood, cosmic babies and horror so damn well. She hits hard and has very distinct phases from one another, as well as compared to any other boss in the game, so she gets my vote for best of the Chalice bosses. (Not quite up to the best of the main game and the dlc, but not far off imo).
There ends my Chalice Dungeon drivel.
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Post by bichii on Sept 3, 2021 17:39:19 GMT
I decided to let my son play this after him loving sekiro and the boardgame so much.
He killed cleric beast second try. I killed father for him after he wasn't improving much after about ten attempts. He is currently on maybe 7th or 8th BSB attempt. He seems to do the first phase pretty easy then constantly messes up on the poison phase.
I almost forgot how annoying first runs are in this where most players have to farm vials.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 3, 2021 17:48:06 GMT
The first lantern to Gascoigne via the elevator was always my go to for stocking up on vials - the 2 brick carrying enemies, pig and the 2 monsters right before Gascoigne all drop 1-2
Think it's cool you play vidya games with your kids by the way (and Wunty)
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Post by Samildanach on Sept 12, 2021 9:18:29 GMT
Welp, nearly at the end of my second (and final playthrough) and I was surprised how the last few bosses dropped with ease despite it being NG+1, I guess due to surviving the horror of the Depth 4 and 5 Chalice dungeons. Only Ebrietas gave me any trouble; the Wet Nurse is fairly easy anyway, as is the One Reborn and Emissary. Micolash took a couple of goes but once you stick on him like a limpit, he doesn't use his Call Beyond. Gehrman I was most surprised about as he seemed ridiculously easy to gun parry - he barely got in a hit! The Moon Presence will have to wait since I have the dlc to do, and I am under no illusions that I'll walk it there. Such a fantastic game though, and I'm worried that so many will now fall short of its greatness.
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Post by Danno on Sept 12, 2021 12:05:21 GMT
Only a few months until Elden Ring though, Samil
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Post by Samildanach on Sept 12, 2021 13:45:07 GMT
Only a few months until Elden Ring though, Samil True. It's very exciting! On the other hand I have DS3, Sekiro and any other Souls-likes I fancy to dabble with before I allow myself to jump on Elden Ring. Since that means pretty much ALL the Souls-likes, it will be some time. At least I can buy the super-duper version with all dlc included!
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Post by bichii on Sept 12, 2021 14:33:06 GMT
Welp, nearly at the end of my second (and final playthrough) and I was surprised how the last few bosses dropped with ease despite it being NG+1, I guess due to surviving the horror of the Depth 4 and 5 Chalice dungeons. Only Ebrietas gave me any trouble; the Wet Nurse is fairly easy anyway, as is the One Reborn and Emissary. Micolash took a couple of goes but once you stick on him like a limpit, he doesn't use his Call Beyond. Gehrman I was most surprised about as he seemed ridiculously easy to gun parry - he barely got in a hit! The Moon Presence will have to wait since I have the dlc to do, and I am under no illusions that I'll walk it there. Such a fantastic game though, and I'm worried that so many will now fall short of its greatness. Oh he definitely does still use call beyond when you are in his face.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 16:05:03 GMT
Only a few months until Elden Ring though, Samil True. It's very exciting! On the other hand I have DS3, Sekiro and any other Souls-likes I fancy to dabble with before I allow myself to jump on Elden Ring. Since that means pretty much ALL the Souls-likes, it will be some time. At least I can buy the super-duper version with all dlc included! Talking of Souls likes, I recommend Hellpoint if it's still on sale. Rough around the edges but its actually pretty good.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 12, 2021 16:11:51 GMT
Nioh is the only other one that really appealed to me. Most non-From Souls games just look like poor imitations
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 16:24:35 GMT
The Surge 2 is another that's worth a gander.
But yeah, Nioh 1&2 are the only ones close. I bloody love Nioh 2.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 12, 2021 16:40:50 GMT
Nioh has enough of an identity to stand on it's own - there is definitely some From inspiration but it's totally it's own game. Games like The Surge, Hellpoint, Mortal Shell, etc, just seem second rate. I'd rather just replay a proper Souls game or something else
but apparently I'm a snob
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 17:13:48 GMT
Each to their own but I certainly found them worth playing.
Edit: you bloody snob
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Post by Samildanach on Sept 12, 2021 17:54:39 GMT
Yeah I've got a list to go through: Dark Souls III Nioh The Surge Ashen Sekiro Remnant The Surge 2 Code Vein Nioh 2 Mortal Shell Hellpoint Elden Ring In release order as far as I know, and not counting the platformer-like ones which I'm less fussed about...tho Hollow Knight will be the exception.
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Post by Samildanach on Sept 12, 2021 17:57:41 GMT
I should be fine with second-rate souls-likes...I've beaten Dark Souls 2 for example.
..ducks and runs.
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Post by Samildanach on Sept 12, 2021 17:59:49 GMT
Welp, nearly at the end of my second (and final playthrough) and I was surprised how the last few bosses dropped with ease despite it being NG+1, I guess due to surviving the horror of the Depth 4 and 5 Chalice dungeons. Only Ebrietas gave me any trouble; the Wet Nurse is fairly easy anyway, as is the One Reborn and Emissary. Micolash took a couple of goes but once you stick on him like a limpit, he doesn't use his Call Beyond. Gehrman I was most surprised about as he seemed ridiculously easy to gun parry - he barely got in a hit! The Moon Presence will have to wait since I have the dlc to do, and I am under no illusions that I'll walk it there. Such a fantastic game though, and I'm worried that so many will now fall short of its greatness. Oh he definitely does still use call beyond when you are in his face. Oh I got very lucky then!
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Post by Danno on Sept 12, 2021 18:07:41 GMT
The Surge is real fucking bad. I heard better things about The Surge 2, but having tried the first one (and Lords of the Fallen, bt the same dev) I can't summon* the interest *
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 12, 2021 18:14:58 GMT
Yeah, the dev strikes me as having decided one day that they want to make a Souls game but not actually having the talent to do so or any original ideas. They're just iterating, trying to get it right
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Post by Danno on Sept 12, 2021 18:18:16 GMT
I gather they're a pretty small outfit somewhere in the former soviet bloc. I like some of their ideas but think they're over reaching for the resources they have
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 12, 2021 18:19:40 GMT
And talent
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Post by Danno on Sept 12, 2021 18:24:32 GMT
File under resources
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 12, 2021 18:27:24 GMT
Yeah I've got a list to go through: Dark Souls III Nioh The Surge Ashen SekiroRemnant The Surge 2 Code Vein Nioh 2Mortal Shell Hellpoint Elden Ring In release order as far as I know, and not counting the platformer-like ones which I'm less fussed about...tho Hollow Knight will be the exception. I'd play these ones first, before you get burnt out on the fomula. And Dark Souls 2 again because you clearly weren't paying attention
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 18:27:39 GMT
The Surge 2 is well decent you ruddy fools.
Code Vein is the only one I couldn't finish. Proper shit.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 12, 2021 18:36:38 GMT
I say talent because most of the gameplay is 1:1 without taking into account the background stuff. There's lore in DS about bonfires, etc so it makes a bit of sense. In The Surge 2 they have those medi bay things, which everyone just agrees not to smash up or claim so everyone has equal access to modifications, even though the streets are in chaos with everyone trying to kill each other. Likewise, they just went with a standard linear story and NPCs with dialogue trees. They can copy the basic gameplay but the rest of what makes Souls good is clearly beyond them
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Post by Danno on Sept 12, 2021 18:41:31 GMT
It's a good point, it just falls under resources.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 18:42:24 GMT
Bit harsh. Did one of the devs steal your wheelie bin or something.
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Post by Danno on Sept 12, 2021 18:44:17 GMT
You have to admit The Surge was pretty shonky. Again, I've not played 2 so that might be awesome.
Less said about Lords of the Fallen the better
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 12, 2021 18:45:24 GMT
Now that you mention it, someone did steal one of my wheelie bins once. I hadn't put it together until now. What's their Twitter?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 18:50:32 GMT
You have to admit The Surge was pretty shonky. Again, I've not played 2 so that might be awesome. Less said about Lords of the Fallen the better The Surge was shonky. The Surge 2 was still a bit shonky, but a lot better. Lords of the Fallen, eh, looked... Nice at least.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 18:51:33 GMT
Now that you mention it, someone did steal one of my wheelie bins once. I hadn't put it together until now. What's their Twitter? @wenickedalisonsbinsandwoulddoitagaintoo
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