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Post by Chopper on Jan 9, 2023 11:18:50 GMT
is it worth persevering with Death Stranding if I find the gameplay interesting enough (although it does seem to amount to "hold triggers if weeble wobbles") but find the story interminable bullshit with fifteen minute cutscenes clunkily delivering a stream of exposition for every five minutes of gameplay? If it's possible to skip the cutscenes easily (I can't remember; I watched them, but maybe there's a menu option to skip them entirely rather than having to X through?) then it's worth playing till you have gone coast to coast and completed the network. The final chapter (8?) is pretty horrific regarding cutscenes and has to be seen to be believed really, but it's viable to just not progress the story to that point and keep building etc.
Even if you manage to skip the cutscenes, there are a couple of really bad boss fights/chase sequences that you must deal with in mid game, so that might be your breaking point.
Despite only really enjoying the moment-to-moment gameplay parts, I am positive on the game overall.  |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 9, 2023 11:19:35 GMT
You can skip the cutscenes.
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Post by wunty on Jan 9, 2023 11:27:46 GMT
Death Stranding is very much a game that hinges on the craziness of it all tbh. If you're not on board with the story and that same craziness, not sure why you'd bother to keep playing it. Life's too short. Go and play something else.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 11:30:50 GMT
It was the combat for me, just so shit.
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Post by wunty on Jan 9, 2023 11:35:49 GMT
It's very clunky. I simultaneously loved the combat sections and hated them.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 9, 2023 11:49:18 GMT
Death Stranding is very much a game that hinges on the craziness of it all tbh. If you're not on board with the story and that same craziness, not sure why you'd bother to keep playing it. Life's too short. Go and play something else. Life IS short. |
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Post by dangerousdave on Jan 9, 2023 20:42:43 GMT
Kojima's writing is like marmite. I personally hate it. Its so heavy on thick, chunky narrative that brings his games to a crashing halt. Its half rich, half batshit crazy. He creates genuinely scary villians, but doesn't know how women walk, talk, breath and think in reality.
He needs a writing partner. Somebody that can act as quality assurance and push his great ideas whilst killing the crazy ones that involve becoming possessed by somebody that lives on through an arm you had grafted on to your own. Or calling you for an hour long chat about the history of American politics whilst half a city gets smashed up.
He's the Christopher Nolan of games if Christopher Nolan lived exclusively on a diet of cocaine.
That was a long-winded way of saying; Just move on.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 9, 2023 21:07:46 GMT
The gameplay is quite unique though so you won't get the same experience somewhere else if you're enjoying that. I did try paying attention to the story but never got on board with it. Still really enjoyed the game regardless. The game does keep adding new mechanics and tools to keep it interesting, especially once you get to the mountain areas. Personally think the gameplay stands up on its own and the story can be ignored
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Post by wunty on Jan 9, 2023 21:55:22 GMT
Personally don’t see the point in playing something you actively dislike the story of for 20-30 hours, particularly since it’s such an integral part to the game but that’s just me.
Man I hate this book but it has good words in it so by god I’ll read it all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 22:19:19 GMT
Yeah, particularly for Kojima titles. I think this is the first time I’ve read someone saying they hated the story in this game but liked the gameplay.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Jan 9, 2023 22:54:59 GMT
Kojima's writing is like marmite. I personally hate it. Its so heavy on thick, chunky narrative that brings his games to a crashing halt. Its half rich, half batshit crazy. He creates genuinely scary villians, but doesn't know how women walk, talk, breath and think in reality. He needs a writing partner. Somebody that can act as quality assurance and push his great ideas whilst killing the crazy ones that involve becoming possessed by somebody that lives on through an arm you had grafted on to your own. I think his ideas are pretty shit and it's the unrestrained craziness and self-seriousness with which he presents them that elevates his games. The total commitment to such absurd concepts in DS are part of what made me love it. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 9, 2023 23:05:59 GMT
Personally don’t see the point in playing something you actively dislike the story of for 20-30 hours, particularly since it’s such an integral part to the game but that’s just me. Man I hate this book but it has good words in it so by god I’ll read it all. That literally makes no sense. It'd be more like watching a film that has a stupid story but great action sequences and people will watch films for that reason all the time
It just sounds like gatekeeping - you can't play a Kojima game if you don't appreciate his wacky genius
You play it because you find the gameplay fun. Loads of games have bad stories but are still popular
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Post by wunty on Jan 9, 2023 23:21:09 GMT
Sigh, yes but considering it's this particular title and the story literally is rammed down your throat every time you're not carrying a box over a hill between tar people, then I do think that if he's bouncing off it as much as he is, there's a hell of a lot of skipping cutscenes to get through before he's done. It doesn't even sound as though he's particularly sold on the gameplay, so there's not even that to pull him through cutscene and email and interlude after cutscene and email and interlude. He also has quite a strong reaction to the story:
"the story interminable bullshit with fifteen minute cutscenes clunkily delivering a stream of exposition for every five minutes of gameplay"
Therefore, I'm suggesting that it's possibly not the game for him. I don't consider Kojima a wacky genius for what it's worth but do take slight umbrage to being labelled a gatekeeper or whatever faddy term you wish.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 9, 2023 23:26:57 GMT
From my memory, it isn't like that. It's not like MGS where it's all cutscenes - there's huge stretches where there's no story whatsoever, then a bit of story, then none again. It's really uneven in terms of pacing I'd say if you are enjoying the gameplay, stick with it until you get to the main area where it opens up. When it stops being fun to play, stop playing it. There's a million side quest deliveries to do that have nothing to do with the story My point is that the cutscenes aren't woven into the story nearly as much as MGS and the game will leave you alone to just enjoy walking about delivering stuff if you enjoy that Again, it's quite unique gameplay. If you are enjoying that, you won't get it anywhere else, so it's worth playing despite not caring for the story
I didn't actually say if he should play it or not, just not to be dissuaded by people making out you have to like the story to enjoy it. I don't think you do. I trust he'll know to stop if he's not enjoying playing the thing. But I don't think not liking the story will render it unplayable
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 9, 2023 23:40:43 GMT
Personally don’t see the point in playing something you actively dislike the story of for 20-30 hours, particularly since it’s such an integral part to the game but that’s just me. Man I hate this book but it has good words in it so by god I’ll read it all. That literally makes no sense. It'd be more like watching a film that has a stupid story but great action sequences and people will watch films for that reason all the time
It just sounds like gatekeeping - you can't play a Kojima game if you don't appreciate his wacky genius
You play it because you find the gameplay fun. Loads of games have bad stories but are still popular
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 9, 2023 23:45:15 GMT
The bit where it's integral to the game so you shouldn't play it if you don't enjoy the story
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 9, 2023 23:48:59 GMT
Again, I'm still not seeing Wunty gatekeeping the game in the gamer sense of gatekeeping.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 10, 2023 0:07:05 GMT
I said sounds like
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 10, 2023 0:10:08 GMT
Ok... I'm unable to hear the gatekeeping. Better?
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Post by A46Matt on Jan 10, 2023 10:01:15 GMT
High on Life - mediocre and forgettable. Guess I’m not the target audience for the humour/writing. Game is serviceable but just got bored.
Far Cry 5 - not sure why I didn’t click with this. Some of the missions I thought were really good but something about the world just didn’t draw me in. The gunplay is awful which doesn’t help. Defeated one of the 3 bosses and that’s enough. Also made me feel very dizzy at times after playing, figure there must be some inconsistencies in the frame rate with the FPS boost on Series X.
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Post by wunty on Jan 10, 2023 10:04:12 GMT
It's fine. I'm not offended. I mean I had a little cry but I'm better now. I think. Just don't set me off again. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 10, 2023 10:55:24 GMT
It's fine. I'm not offended. I mean I had a little cry but I'm better now. I think. Just don't set me off again. Let us build a bridge and use that bridge to move past it. I think that was the message within Death Stranding. Really been craving some Monster Energy for some reason |
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Post by wunty on Jan 10, 2023 10:59:30 GMT
Let us carry our babies over said bridge and shake them when they're sad.
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Post by Lizard on Jan 15, 2023 0:21:48 GMT
Contra: Hard Corps
In the fifteen minutes I played this game I used 8 continues, managed a high score of 330 and got as far as the first mini boss. I am just not up to this kind of one hit kill challenge.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 0:36:19 GMT
Japanese version lets you get hit three times, at least. It’s still a hard game, though, as the name implies.
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Post by Lizard on Jan 15, 2023 0:39:01 GMT
Yeah, when I bought the Switch Contra collection I knew I'd be lucky to see the second level of any of them. They are cool though.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jan 15, 2023 11:49:29 GMT
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Post by Nanocrystal on Jan 20, 2023 4:15:55 GMT
Jedi: Fallen Order
Nah, not for me. It's dark souls but with all the bullshit trappings of modern games like skill trees, collecting things, and ticking off lists. Used to love that kind of thing but I'm pretty over it all now.
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Post by malek86 on Jan 21, 2023 22:46:28 GMT
Unreal
Played for a couple hours and dropped. Levels are too labyrinthine and super dark (guess they really want me to use those flares to show off their hardware lighting), enemies move around like crazy, movement feels slippery, weapons aren't satisfying, and buttons are the same color as the walls. That last part is especially annoying.
Guess I'm just not an Unreal guy. Quake 2 all the way for me.
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Post by RadicalRex on Jan 21, 2023 23:14:58 GMT
It wouldn't be the only time Unreal didn't live up to its Quake counterpart
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