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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 4, 2021 11:39:42 GMT
Saw this last night, I must say I've found the Craig era to be patchy, I think he has been great throughout but the material he's been given hasn't always shined. This entry was entertaining but some caveats being it was overly long and could have definitely removed some scenes that honestly wouldn't have had an impact on the mainline plot. Also Malek's role was puzzling to say the least, I didn't really understand his motivation and tbh felt like a cookie cutter villain who was just bad because the movie has to happen. Look forward to see the direction the franchise will take.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 16:28:36 GMT
The QoS villain was so bland, you just forget about him. The diet coke of evil, Just one calorie, not evil enough
Only CS was any good of the Craig era, the spectre opening scene was great but not much else(have not seen NTtD yet sounds like will wait till its out to rent).
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Post by 😎 on Oct 4, 2021 16:41:40 GMT
Actually suprised at all the Bond love. I thought Casino Royale was interesting from it being alot more grounded, but everything since personally I thought has been genuinely awful. For me they all lack any sense of peril, depth of character, interesting writing..just anything of substance to draw you into the movie. I just find them all strangely empty and soulless, so much so I can't help but think "what's the point" The Craig era ones are uncomfortably placed because Bourne did the spy thing better and Mission Impossible did the spectacle better. Honestly I’d really enjoy if they rebooted it back to the 60s and had some good Cold War antics again. Perhaps even better align with the books (plot wise at least, leave the more rapey bits in the past where the belong). |
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Post by geefe on Oct 4, 2021 16:45:00 GMT
If I wasn't going to see this with my dad, I wouldn't be bothering. For me, they've gotten worse as they've gone on. Casino Royale is genuinely good. QOS I find underrated. It works a lot better if you watch it with or near CR. Yes, the villain is a bit naff but I'm largely onboard with the plan.
Skyfall is where it started falling to pieces. Rehash of Dark Knight and Home Alone, that I really took against and Spectre was much, much worse. Stop giving Bond to "drama" actors. I'd genuinely be happy with fucking Michael Bay at this point.
All this has to do is improve on Spectre and make me give enough of a shit.
Give it a couple of years, do a hard reset and have a fucking plan from the start. Either John Boyega or Jack O Connel for Bond and give him a rotation of baddies - a strong, foreign one, followed by a mysterious Brit with a grudge and then finish with a machiavelli that's been working from the shadows or something.
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Oct 4, 2021 16:50:57 GMT
Just got back in from seeing it. It’s Not bad. Really enjoyed the first half but the second drags a little (though it didn’t feel like 160 minutes) because as others as eluded to the Main villain is kind of bland and I kinda of lost the thread of his plan a little bit. It’s Looks and sounds great and at least the film attempts to put some actual peril in it. Ana de Armas steals the film for me in the brief time she is in it.
Solid Bond/10
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Oct 4, 2021 17:01:25 GMT
Actually suprised at all the Bond love. I thought Casino Royale was interesting from it being alot more grounded, but everything since personally I thought has been genuinely awful. For me they all lack any sense of peril, depth of character, interesting writing..just anything of substance to draw you into the movie. I just find them all strangely empty and soulless, so much so I can't help but think "what's the point" The Craig era ones are uncomfortably placed because Bourne did the spy thing better and Mission Impossible did the spectacle better. Honestly I’d really enjoy if they rebooted it back to the 60s and had some good Cold War antics again. Perhaps even better align with the books (plot wise at least, leave the more rapey bits in the past where the belong). That's a good idea. Some sort of serious reboot is needed, I think. It's interesting reading all the opinions and some of the more critical takes. This was a perfectly entertaining, perfectly decent Bond movie for me. I think we sometimes want some sort of platonic ideal of a Bond movie, but I don't know how often, if ever, we've got that. They are always full of holes and often full of shit baddies. Serious question: out of the 25, how many are actually really good, stripping away childhood nostalgia or whatever? 5 or 6? |
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Oct 4, 2021 17:04:00 GMT
For anyone who cares to answer my question, here's a list for convenience:
1.1 Dr. No (1962)
1.2 From Russia with Love (1963)
1.3 Goldfinger (1964)
1.4 Thunderball (1965)
1.5 You Only Live Twice (1967)
1.6 On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969)
1.7 Diamonds Are Forever (1971)
1.8 Live and Let Die (1973)
1.9 The Man with the Golden Gun (1974)
1.10 The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
1.11 Moonraker (1979)
1.12 For Your Eyes Only (1981)
1.13 Octopussy (1983)
1.14 A View to a Kill (1985)
1.15 The Living Daylights (1987)
1.16 Licence to Kill (1989)
1.17 GoldenEye (1995)
1.18 Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)
1.19 The World Is Not Enough (1999)
1.20 Die Another Day (2002)
1.21 Casino Royale (2006)
1.22 Quantum of Solace (2008)
1.23 Skyfall (2012)
1.24 Spectre (2015)
1.25 No Time to Die (2021)
(Edit: have now bolded ones I think are really up there. It seems I'm mostly a fan of dour Bond)
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Post by quadfather on Oct 4, 2021 17:08:19 GMT
Well, anything with jaws in it, for starter's!
But yeah it all needs a reset as they're just turning into average bland action films now. I went yesterday with an open mind and didn't read much about it but came away definitely feeling meh, which is a shame
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Post by 😎 on Oct 4, 2021 17:09:57 GMT
From Russia With Love and OHMSS are, in my opinion, fantastic films in general let alone good Bond films. I have a soft spot for Live and Let Die but it’s probably aged the worst out of almost any of them. The Dalton films are criminally underrated. Goldeneye is good but the rest of the Brosnan era is pretty terrible, culminating in easily the worst one (Die Another Day), even including the unofficial Never Say Never Again.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Oct 4, 2021 17:10:59 GMT
"I think he's attempting re-entry, sir". Now THAT validates the whole of Moonraker.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 17:13:16 GMT
I know he's got Batman, but I think Robert Pattinson should get Bond next.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Oct 4, 2021 17:13:49 GMT
From Russia With Love and OHMSS are, in my opinion, fantastic films in general let alone good Bond films. I have a soft spot for Live and Let Die but it’s probably aged the worst out of almost any of them. The Dalton films are criminally underrated. Goldeneye is good but the rest of the Brosnan era is pretty terrible, culminating in easily the worst one (Die Another Day), even including the unofficial Never Say Never Again. I think I have similar tastes to you - I agree with everything you mention including Live and Let Die which I have a massive soft spot for but, objectively, it's pretty awful. |
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Post by quadfather on Oct 4, 2021 17:17:33 GMT
Yeah I'd agree with that summary
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Post by gamingdave on Oct 4, 2021 17:23:28 GMT
Rewatched the DC films in prep for seeing this last week. CR is rightly hailed as the best of the lot and I think that still stands but I really enjoyed NTTD. QoS I feel gets a bad rap, it has it's issues but it still feels very Bond. Skyfall for me is just a mess. As others have noted it's trying to be too many things at once. I love Judi Dench and thought she played the role really well, but in some scenes it's trying to be a serious film with serious characters (which to me isn't Bond) and at the same time we are asked to believe the most ridiculous plot. Silva manages to get captured, locked in a specific cell, so Q can have a momentary lapse into stupidity and plug in the laptop, so Silva can escape into a tunnel, so Bond can get hit by a train (perfectly on time - derailed with explosives), so he can escape into a stolen police car and go and turn up at M's trial which just so happens to be happening at exactly the right time on the day he always planned!? Spectre is hit and miss too, but works setting up NTTD. As for NTTD. As a closer for DCs run I found it a satisfying send off. Some nice dry humour, solid set pieces, great sets and locations. Zimmer did a great job on the score, he clearly has an understanding on what made Barry's scores "Bond". Loved the frequent nods to OHMSS. Had it come out in 2019 as originally planned (before all the changes then Covid) it would have been that films 50th anniversary. Bond and Madeleine might not have gotten married, but its clear Bond has found "the one" - they have "all the time in the world" after all. Not just the lines but several injections of that films score. The main plot though.... What was Safin's plan? Who was he going to kill and why? to what end? We knew why Drax wanted to do what he did in Moonraker, as bonkers as it may have seemed it was at least clearly explained. Where did he get his money and legion of workers? It didn't ruin the fun, but it seems a massive oversight unless I missed a few crucial lines. I didn't think the new 00 was as well used as had been made out, though I did like the character. Paloma was a fun character though - the whole section in Cuba was great. Be interesting to see what they go for next. Another connected arc or back to standalone films? I'm less concerned who plays Bond, more the writing and directing teams. |
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Post by gamingdave on Oct 4, 2021 17:36:00 GMT
For anyone who cares to answer my question, here's a list for convenience: 1.1 Dr. No (1962)
1.2 From Russia with Love (1963)
1.3 Goldfinger (1964)
1.4 Thunderball (1965)
1.5 You Only Live Twice (1967)
1.6 On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969)
1.7 Diamonds Are Forever (1971) 1.8 Live and Let Die (1973)
1.9 The Man with the Golden Gun (1974)
1.10 The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
1.11 Moonraker (1979)
1.12 For Your Eyes Only (1981)
1.13 Octopussy (1983) 1.14 A View to a Kill (1985)
1.15 The Living Daylights (1987)
1.16 Licence to Kill (1989)
1.17 GoldenEye (1995)
1.18 Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) 1.19 The World Is Not Enough (1999) 1.20 Die Another Day (2002) 1.21 Casino Royale (2006)1.22 Quantum of Solace (2008) 1.23 Skyfall (2012) 1.24 Spectre (2015) 1.25 No Time to Die (2021)
With the exception of Diamonds all of Connery's are great for me. A View to a Kill is ridiculous, but it's worth it for Walken, and Moonraker is very hammy, but I still have soft spots for both films. Dalton was great and in a time Bond was having to compete with Stallone and Schwarzenegger at the box office which made for grittier films following the end of the Moore era. Brosnan was a great Bond, just given poor films. Craig started and ended well, but the middle was a let down. |
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Post by quadfather on Oct 4, 2021 17:37:23 GMT
Absolutely agree on the writing needing to be better rather than who plays bond.
Ana de armas. More of that please. And not just the revealing attire.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Oct 4, 2021 17:44:17 GMT
Inspired by gamingdave's bolded list approach, I've done the same with my list above. And it makes me look like a right miserable-ist - I do really like the franchise, I'm just trying to limit myself to ones that I feel (in some way and to varying degrees) transcend the genre. I maybe should add some of Roger Moore's but my favourites are Live and Let Die and The Man with the Golden Gun and they were tbh quite iffy when I watched them with my sons not that long ago.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Oct 4, 2021 17:45:19 GMT
Absolutely agree on the writing needing to be better rather than who plays bond. Ana de armas. More of that please. And not just the revealing attire. I absolutely loved her and the whole Cuba section. |
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Post by gamingdave on Oct 4, 2021 17:57:26 GMT
I'm just trying to limit myself to ones that I feel (in some way and to varying degrees) transcend the genre Yeah if you go by that metric, the list shrinks considerably. But I am happy with a franchise sticking to a formula when it works. For Bond though it's been nearly 60 years which means the formula has had to change. Plot wise we obviously it's a lot harder to do the man in the field stuff now, mobile phones put an end to that. And tech has evolved so much that the gadgets don't impress as much and you end up with invisible cars (though it turns out that wasn't as batshit as it appeared). Maybe it would work as a TV show, but I don't think Barbara is keen on that and theres something about seeing Bond in the cinema. I've seen them all since FYEO (the first film I went to the cinema to see) on the big screen and despite having been let down with the previous three, still found myself sitting there on Thursday night. |
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Post by anephric on Oct 4, 2021 17:58:00 GMT
Either John Boyega or Jack O Connel for Bond I would never watch Bond again with either of those two. I can't stand Boyega (the only thing I thought he was any good in was Small Axe): Jack O'Connell has absolutely no charisma and can only play ratty types with ratty teeth. Plus his family bogged me out once. Chiwetel Ejiofor, absolutely, but he's too old now. |
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Post by anephric on Oct 4, 2021 17:59:28 GMT
Live and Let Die is my absolute favourite Bond, nothing else really comes close. I know how desperately edgelord that is.
Racist Bond, racist Bond, racist. Racist Bond, racist Bond Bond Bond.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 18:00:12 GMT
It needs to be Robert Pattinson, but I'd take most over Tom Hardy doing funny accents.
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Post by Kay on Oct 4, 2021 18:00:25 GMT
I take it this is not worth watching without seeing Spectre first? That's the only Bond I've never seen - missed it at the cinema, and never bothered with it after reading about how it was a disappointment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 18:01:20 GMT
I'd say you need to have seen it to get what is even going on. It's like a continuation from it while taking parts from the previous as well.
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Post by gamingdave on Oct 4, 2021 18:02:47 GMT
I take it this is not worth watching without seeing Spectre first? That's the only Bond I've never seen - missed it at the cinema, and never bothered with it after reading about how it was a disappointment. I'd say it's almost essential |
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Post by Kay on Oct 4, 2021 18:10:07 GMT
Thanks, thought so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 18:31:43 GMT
Henry cavill would make a good bond as long its not man of steel performance or any of the films he acted as superman (more of a director thing I guess)
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Post by 😎 on Oct 4, 2021 18:34:08 GMT
It should be someone relatively unknown again.
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Post by neilka on Oct 4, 2021 19:08:30 GMT
How is Rodimus-Prime's schedule looking?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 19:09:50 GMT
He's earmarked as the new baddie. Garrotte's people with a razor yo-yo string.
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