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Post by clemfandango on Oct 12, 2021 13:58:22 GMT
Time has been kind to the dalton films. I watched living daylights a few months ago and it really is top tier classic bond and Dalton is excellent in it. I love no (well less) nonsense Dalton Bond. It's like a palate cleanser after wrinkly crinkly Bond increasingly relying on gadgetry. TLD also has the bonus of having the best fucking Bond car in that Aston Martin Carrera V8. I'd sacrifice some orphans to own one of those. Yeah that Aston is awesome, it has skis too! Living daylights has so many great scenes, the Aston Martin on skis, the cello case sledge, the land rover section at the start, the cargo plane, the blond henchman on his Walkman killing all the mi6 guys, the park scene with the other 00 agent etc. I never appreciated it properly until a few years ago, now it’s in my top 5 easily |
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Post by probablymuttler on Oct 12, 2021 14:06:06 GMT
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 12, 2021 14:14:37 GMT
Wow, somebody else who loves the Movie as much as I do👍👍👍 I may have to buy that book |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 12, 2021 14:19:33 GMT
I don't think Murdoch literally does war crimes so that he can get exclusives reporting on them. That's fairly unique (though I guess Nightcrawler does it on a smaller scale) Or so you THINK! |
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Post by geefe on Oct 12, 2021 14:50:59 GMT
Just seen it this afternoon. Better than the last 3 and quite easily surpassed my (admittedly low) expectations. Would happily rewatch it.
Skyfall and Spectre were such massive missteps but this mostly rights things. The entire Cuba sequence, the concept of basing it on 60s Bond and the last section in the base all worked. Ana De Armas absolutely stole the show.
I think it proves that if you give the films to a director who can do gritty and rough, then they work well. Sam Mendes has all the steel of a wet tissue.
Yeah, Remi Malek is mostly useless but I think he worked well enough. Christoph Waltz was, again, horrifically underused but what you gonna do? He was the perfect choice for the role and two directors blew it.
Overall, it's the second best Craig and would rewatch. I want to see a Home Video Cut that lops it down to 2 hours and a bit, though.
Next Bond - period piece, please.
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Post by anephric on Oct 12, 2021 14:53:03 GMT
I don't think Murdoch literally does war crimes so that he can get exclusives reporting on them. That's fairly unique (though I guess Nightcrawler does it on a smaller scale) Or so you THINK! It's a throwback to William Randolph Hearst (as famously referenced in Citizen Kane: 'You furnish the pictures, I'll furnish the war') who invented sensationalist yellow journalism and whipped up America into escalating the 1898 war with Spain with an 'invented' war crime. He was also accused of hugely provoking the assassination of a US president. |
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Post by anephric on Oct 12, 2021 16:58:52 GMT
I've just watched OHMSS rite now because I had a pang, and most of it is great. The Piz Gloria 'Hilly' stuff is Austin Powersy and mostly naff (and it doesn't help they dubbed Lazenby) but it's only as naff as similar sequences in YOLT etc.
Savalas is a great Blofeld: intimidating without lurching into being camp or pantomimey (cough Charles Gray) and he physically takes on Bond unlike other Blofelds. Diana Rigg is excellent and they build her character well if out of a bizarre initial premise. There's several moments where she's made out to be Bond's equal (and she totally saves him in the winter carnival sequence when he's pretty much given up and she does all the driving in the stock car race while Bond is a passive passenger: 'I hope my big end will stand up to this!').
Yeah, there's too much bad process work (like all 60s Bonds) but the location stuff is excellent, as are the action sequences and Lazenby does the physical stuff well. The score is wonderful.
And the ending is genuinely poignant and broke the mould.
Haven't changed my mind, it's still great and better than half of Connery's Bonds.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 12, 2021 21:50:46 GMT
Just seen NTTD - probably 2nd or 3rd behind Casino Royale. There were no real surprises as such but I liked the return to something resembling reality. A bit anyway. Ana de Armas was great too. Perhaps a bit long and I got a fed up of goon central but they're about my only gripes.
OHMSS is a great Bond film, just a crap Bond in Lazenby. One of my faves.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 13, 2021 4:49:46 GMT
The stunt out of the back of the plane with the netting is spectacular as are a lot of the others. Yeah, that's probably my favorite Bond stunt of all time. The movie has other flaws, but I'll forgive them all for that stunt. I thought it was widely acknowledged that OHMSS was the shittest Bond film ever? Shittest BOND of all time, but not shittest Bond Movie of all time. It's a shame it didn't have any other actor as bond, if it had it'd have been a classic. Dianna Rigg is amazing as always, and the ending is great. The stuff in the ski resort is mostly terrible, but that's partly because lines that Connery or Moore could have pulled off just sound terribly coming from Lazenby. He just didn't have the charisma to pull them off. That said, he did well in the ending. |
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 13, 2021 10:36:27 GMT
The stunt out of the back of the plane with the netting is spectacular as are a lot of the others. Yeah, that's probably my favorite Bond stunt of all time. The movie has other flaws, but I'll forgive them all for that stunt. I thought it was widely acknowledged that OHMSS was the shittest Bond film ever? Shittest BOND of all time, but not shittest Bond Movie of all time. It's a shame it didn't have any other actor as bond, if it had it'd have been a classic. Dianna Rigg is amazing as always, and the ending is great. The stuff in the ski resort is mostly terrible, but that's partly because lines that Connery or Moore could have pulled off just sound terribly coming from Lazenby. He just didn't have the charisma to pull them off. That said, he did well in the ending. Lazenby gets a bad rap, but he was actually pretty good. The only reason he is awful at the ski resort is because they made the stupid decision to dub him in those scenes. It's difficult to have charisma when you have been dubbed. The rest of the film he is really good (just very different to connery). I wish he had done Diamonds are forever, apparently that film was gimped for various reasons, one being they had to stump up a fortune for Connery to come back. It would have been a very different film with Lazenby... |
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Post by beastmaster on Oct 13, 2021 11:31:33 GMT
I think they're going to cast Harry Styles as the next James Bond. They'll go younger and someone with mass appeal. Won't be a popular choice with the "true" Bond fans.
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Post by kronos on Oct 13, 2021 11:43:44 GMT
..(and she totally saves him in the winter carnival sequence when he's pretty much given up and she does all the driving in the stock car race while Bond is a passive passenger: 'I hope my big end will stand up to this!'). This!!. I like that he is vulnerable and desperate in this one. |
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Post by simple on Oct 21, 2021 13:29:34 GMT
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Post by ozthegweat on Oct 22, 2021 18:12:35 GMT
I'm rewatching Casino Royale right now. Only at the opening credits right now, already excellent.
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Post by anephric on Oct 22, 2021 22:07:39 GMT
Bond plays videogames against the baddie in Never Say Never Again. And makes him ragequit.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 25, 2021 9:04:26 GMT
Finally got to see this yesterday afternoon. Had held off in an attempt to avoid a packed cinema (I have been going to the cinema since they re-opened, but always careful about the times to avoid crowds). Shouldn't have bothered waiting as it was still packed. Good thing for the film and alleviates worries I may have about cinema dying, but not so good for that little pandemic issue. Any way, film itself was very enjoyable. Can't really add too much beyond what others have said and I agree with the general opinion that the villain was underwhelming and the Cuba bit was great. I particularly liked the surreal three men walking around with the eyeball on a cushion. That whole sequence just had a great vibe to it. I did feel it sagged a bit in the middle and, as others have said, the villain was really half-baked. Overall though, as a send off for Craig, this was good and the ending felt earned. Not sure how you do spoilers here, but will give it a go. Apologies if I cock it up Killing off this particular Bond always felt inevitable, in many ways. My only slight qualm with the ending is that him being infected with the virus thing almost felt a little redundant. He had to stay to keep the blast doors open anyway. If anything, it just made the sacrifice easier to make. It certainly would have been a far more tragic ending if he hadn't of died on the island. On the Skyfall "is it shit or is it good" debate, I'm safely in the latter. Don't really understand the hatred some have for it, although I was aware that it was about (only encountered it online though and not with real people). At the very least, it is fucking gorgeous to look at and I found the home invasion at the end a nice twist on the formula, whilst still being suitably bonkers enough for a Bond film. I would still rate Casino Royale above it, just about, but it is pretty close thing and I don't find it odd that it is critically considered the best of his era. |
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Post by beastmaster on Oct 25, 2021 11:54:40 GMT
Edgar Wright was on Twitter saying he's got an idea to pitch for the next Bond, if the producers want to hear him out.
I'd love to see that myself.
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Post by JYM60 on Oct 25, 2021 13:03:56 GMT
I think they're going to cast Harry Styles as the next James Bond. They'll go younger and someone with mass appeal. Won't be a popular choice with the "true" Bond fans. Talk of Jamie Dornan to be the new Bond. Which would complete having a Bond from everywhere in the UK and Ireland. No watched him in anything really so couldn't comment much. I'd still like Tom Hardy, who I think is a cracking actor. But now possibly in the MCU? So unlikely. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 25, 2021 13:40:07 GMT
After just watching Venom, it's a bit hard to imagine Hardy as Bond. Maybe that's cos he's a good actor.
Not seen Brigerton, but the main dude from that who was mentioned as being in the running at least *looked* the part.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 13:48:36 GMT
ROBERT PATTINSON!
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 26, 2021 5:14:47 GMT
Kristen Stewart for the new Joker!
Sorry, wrong thread.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 26, 2021 5:55:19 GMT
God, not Hardy, the stuttering, mumbling fuck.
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Post by stacks on Oct 26, 2021 16:24:19 GMT
God, not Hardy, the stuttering, mumbling fuck. Ridiculously overrated too. |
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Post by aubergine on Nov 21, 2021 13:12:45 GMT
Just saw it tonight. The woman who pretends to be stupid was fantastic, I totally bought it and was worried she was going to immediately die.
I’d have liked them to have explained the doomsday plot a little better. Who exactly was Safin going to kill? The wacky killer scientist said something to New 007 that made me think it was targeting people racially.
Unfortunately the ending was spoiled for me in a headline, so the emotional impact was lost on me, but I kind of guessed that would be the outcome to send Craig off definitively. |
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Post by dfunked on Nov 21, 2021 13:30:20 GMT
Yeah, absolutely loved that character. I spent the rest of the film hoping that she'd reappear.
Bloody good film all in all. Probably up there with Casino Royale for me and definitely didn't feel as long as the off-putting runtime.
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Post by geefe on Nov 21, 2021 20:42:21 GMT
Funnily enough rewatched it today with the girlfriend who hadn't seen it. Holds up well on second viewing - though I nearly fell asleep during Blofeld.
Saffin's plot makes a bit more sense now - the Russian scientist is a bit racist but Saffin has a bit of a Dr No about him. He essentially wants to "do what needs to be done".
Is it amazing? No. But does it work in context? Yes.
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Post by 😎 on Nov 21, 2021 21:24:19 GMT
It continues to throw me on a rewatch that Hugh Dennis shows up randomly.
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Post by KD on Nov 21, 2021 21:26:30 GMT
The girl I seen it with had no idea who Hugh Dennis is, or in the next sentence who Ben Dover was.
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Post by dfunked on Nov 21, 2021 21:30:07 GMT
Ben? Nice to meet you!
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Post by geefe on Nov 21, 2021 21:30:23 GMT
Turns out Claire Skinner and Hugh Dennis were knobbing on the sly during filming
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