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Post by Duffking on Nov 17, 2024 18:34:21 GMT
I swear his mouth is on upside down |
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Post by lordofthedunce on Nov 17, 2024 19:18:11 GMT
BBC reporting that Biden had given Ukraine the green light for strikes on Russian soil with US missiles.
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cubby
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Post by cubby on Nov 17, 2024 19:19:37 GMT
About fucking time, what was he waiting for?
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Post by grey_matters on Nov 17, 2024 19:23:42 GMT
About fucking time, what was he waiting for? Winning the election? |
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Post by Chopsen on Nov 17, 2024 19:24:30 GMT
For any escalation not to affect his chances of re election
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Post by peekconfusion on Nov 17, 2024 19:26:06 GMT
With the added benefit of forcing Trump to explicitly withdraw authorisation.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 17, 2024 19:31:59 GMT
I imagine Ukraine will be using their long range stocks as quickly as possible so a ban being implemented again won't really matter.
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Post by lordofthedunce on Nov 17, 2024 19:37:08 GMT
It's a shame it's been reported, I'd have preferred Ukraine to have just used them and them and they all just deny knowledge.
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Post by simple on Nov 17, 2024 20:03:29 GMT
But then someone might think its about Ukraine’s defence and not 4d chess in the White House
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minimatt
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Post by minimatt on Nov 17, 2024 21:36:23 GMT
starmer going down in my estimation every second he refuses to follow suit
the escalation argument is bollocks, putin's already deployed fucking nerve agents on the streets of the UK, murdering a british citizen and endangering thousands more
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 17, 2024 22:13:14 GMT
The UK has been fine with it for months, the US was blocking it.
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apollo
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Post by apollo on Nov 18, 2024 8:35:34 GMT
no surprise with trump winning as per 2016
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1gtlk2q/this_is_not_germany_1930s_this_is_ohio_2024/
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mcmonkeyplc
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Nov 18, 2024 9:33:06 GMT
starmer going down in my estimation every second he refuses to follow suit the escalation argument is bollocks, putin's already deployed fucking nerve agents on the streets of the UK, murdering a british citizen and endangering thousands more It is bollocks, that's why it doesn't exist, from the UK and rest of Europe at least.  Starmer can now go up in your estimation  |
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Post by Dougs on Nov 18, 2024 11:43:32 GMT
The UK has been fine with it for months, the US was blocking it. It's also pretty clear this is more about politics than helping Ukraine per se. Changing policy now puts the pressure on Trump to keep it come Jan. Not thay I think he'll care much if he's seen to be giving in to Putin mind you. |
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Post by Reviewer on Nov 18, 2024 13:02:14 GMT
If Trump is all about saving money, while obviously having a thing for Putin, then it won’t last unless he gets something in return from Ukraine.
If there’s nothing in it for him then they won’t be getting any support.
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cubby
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Post by cubby on Nov 18, 2024 13:11:16 GMT
Zelensky is a pretty shrewd guy and he's dealt with Trump before in 2019 when Trump tried to get him to investigate Biden and his son. He knows exactly what he's dealing with.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 18, 2024 14:25:54 GMT
I see the inevitable has already happend and even before Trump has got into office his own Wormtongue, Elon, is reportedly having massive arguments with Trump's team about who he wants as picks for the cabinet.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Nov 18, 2024 14:30:30 GMT
Of course - all those egos bouncing around it's never going to end well.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 18, 2024 14:59:41 GMT
Honestly this is probably the best case scenario at this point. They get bogged down in infighting too much to pass the really heinous shit (and the Dems do their best to block what they can as well), they lose a chamber of Congress in the midterms (ideally both) and can't do much for the remainder of the term and then 2028 finally (fingers crossed) sees Trump fully unable to run, the others can't quite muster what's needed to win again and sanity returns for a time.
Even the Tangerine Latrine kicking it wouldn't necessarily be a better outcome, because, while he may not have the cult, Vance is both at least marginally more competent and much more willing to do as he's told. Not to mention that if he replaces Trump after the midterms he's still eligible to run for two terms, whereas Donnie is done after this (barring shenanigans on the level of Constitutional changes, but if it gets to that the situation is probably truly, irreversibly fucked)
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 18, 2024 15:07:50 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 18, 2024 15:14:12 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 18, 2024 15:19:20 GMT
May we live in interesting times indeed.
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Post by skalpadda on Nov 18, 2024 18:33:27 GMT
I imagine Ukraine will be using their long range stocks as quickly as possible so a ban being implemented again won't really matter. If Biden wanted to actually be useful and give a last fuck you to Putin he'd sell a ton of stockpiled equipment and ammo for pennies to NATO allies like the UK, France and Germany, with no strings attached. Don't need a special budget or approval from congress for that, and it would be a fait accompli that Trump can't reverse.
Don't expect it to happen though, since Biden can't seem to do anything without prevaricating for 6 months first.
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Post by damagedinc on Nov 19, 2024 15:32:57 GMT
Now the US missiles have launched are we at the "building bunkers in the garden stage yet?"
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Post by rftp on Nov 19, 2024 15:35:38 GMT
I don't think anyone's stopping you, but I'm on the living life and getting on with things stage and I'm staying there.
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Post by technoish on Nov 19, 2024 16:05:41 GMT
Maybe a bit foolhardy but I honestly doubt any of the russian missiles would work / make it...
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Post by ned on Nov 19, 2024 16:14:52 GMT
Forget the bunkers. If the insane drama on this stage terrestrial does come down to mutually assured nuclear destruction just head for the hills.
You will still die horribly when the bombs drop but the view will be better.
(Pratchett joke)
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Post by lordofthedunce on Nov 19, 2024 16:17:00 GMT
Now the US missiles have launched are we at the "building bunkers in the garden stage yet?" I live in Sweden and we've recently received a pamphlet about preparation in the home/community in the event of a crisis or war. I don't think it will get that bad but I do think that some simple/cheap measures along the lines of some food, ways to purify water, charge a phone, radio, and some extra blankets isn't such a silly idea. My home was actually built at the end of the war and has a protective room in the basement with extra thick walls and ceiling and thick metal cover for the window! |
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Nov 19, 2024 20:23:14 GMT
Now the US missiles have launched are we at the "building bunkers in the garden stage yet?" I live in Sweden and we've recently received a pamphlet about preparation in the home/community in the event of a crisis or war. I don't think it will get that bad but I do think that some simple/cheap measures along the lines of some food, ways to purify water, charge a phone, radio, and some extra blankets isn't such a silly idea. My home was actually built at the end of the war and has a protective room in the basement with extra thick walls and ceiling and thick metal cover for the window! I think if there's one thing we learnt from Covid it's just how fast the world will tun to shit if anything kicks off. A few crates of beans or water will last a few days or so and there won't be anything to replenish them anyway, the phone masts will be switched off to minimise public disorder so that won't be an issue either. |
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Post by skalpadda on Nov 19, 2024 20:27:46 GMT
lordofthedunce Having stuff to manage a few days on your own is just a good idea - people tend to forget the "crisis" bit and only focus on the "war". And yeah, pretty sure all new buildings here had to have shelters or a basement that could quickly be turned into one until pretty recently. We were weirdly hardcore about civil defence until the mid 90s.
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