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Post by geefe on May 8, 2023 7:45:34 GMT
I have a VERY lefty socialist working class anti-government, anti-everything mate and I was trying to explain the difference between the main royals (ie the king and direct descendants) who have this put upon them and are basically in public servitude til they die and the hangers-on who piss about.
She didn't really understand that they can be absolutely miserable but can't really do anything about it, so no one wins.
"They should just say they don't want to be royals" was her answer.
The only people who properly benefit from it, in my eyes, are the shitty non-royals who still get titles and people who use them for propaganda machine.
I am now firmly in the "get rid" camp.
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Post by Lizard on May 8, 2023 8:12:45 GMT
All the robes, swords, oils, rods and holy hand grenades… I mean it was deeply erotic but it doesn’t help me while I’m shopping at Lidl. Yeah, shopping is a right pain in the arse when you're wearing all that shit. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 8, 2023 9:30:50 GMT
I have a VERY lefty socialist working class anti-government, anti-everything mate and I was trying to explain the difference between the main royals (ie the king and direct descendants) who have this put upon them and are basically in public servitude til they die and the hangers-on who piss about. She didn't really understand that they can be absolutely miserable but can't really do anything about it, so no one wins. "They should just say they don't want to be royals" was her answer. The only people who properly benefit from it, in my eyes, are the shitty non-royals who still get titles and people who use them for propaganda machine. I am now firmly in the "get rid" camp. This is exactly why they have gone after Harry so hard. Any of them could say ‘fuck this’ at any time and still live a life of unimaginable luxury which they don’t want the peasants to think about. Even in service, they make it up as they go along and don’t really ‘have’ to do anything. They didn’t have to ride in that golden coach, Princess Anne didn’t have to turn out like Captain Hook…. a lot of these ‘traditions’ are barely decades old but we have been conditioned to think it’s all unbreakable |
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Post by MysteryLamb on May 8, 2023 9:48:45 GMT
Where is Mr. E. Lamb. for that matter He's watching the latest Succession. |
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Post by rawshark on May 8, 2023 10:01:36 GMT
Prince Louis is definitely going to be in the piss about camp.
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Post by cubby on May 8, 2023 11:42:40 GMT
Wait til he unexpectedly becomes King Louis.
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Post by simple on May 8, 2023 13:11:10 GMT
I have a VERY lefty socialist working class anti-government, anti-everything mate and I was trying to explain the difference between the main royals (ie the king and direct descendants) who have this put upon them and are basically in public servitude til they die and the hangers-on who piss about. She didn't really understand that they can be absolutely miserable but can't really do anything about it, so no one wins. "They should just say they don't want to be royals" was her answer. The only people who properly benefit from it, in my eyes, are the shitty non-royals who still get titles and people who use them for propaganda machine. I am now firmly in the "get rid" camp. If the King abdicated now just imagine the firesale that oligarchs and dictators would be able to take advantage of to buy up all of the Crown Estate lands. No one good could possibly afford it and there’s no way that this government would take it into public ownership so that the state benefits from its income. |
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Post by rawshark on May 8, 2023 18:06:57 GMT
That’s the Catch 22. The property would literally need to be donated for any good to come if it.
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Post by geefe on May 9, 2023 6:51:35 GMT
Yes. That has been mooted and is the major case against it. Though public opinion would be strongly in favour of public ownership of these buildings. I can imagine it would be political suicide to allow it.
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Post by Lizard on May 9, 2023 7:01:35 GMT
Imagine Elon Musk living in Buckingham Palace.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 9, 2023 7:56:07 GMT
You divvy a portion of it up for them to live in and open the rest to the public. Every stately home owned by anyone who fell off the handout list has done the same and manages just fine.
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 9, 2023 8:09:43 GMT
Just because we would almost certainly cock up the how to handle the estate doesn't change my mind in principle. Though yeah, I'd like to see a sensible approach and not just have a fire sale.
Though I admit a sensible approach is the last thing our country is capable of.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 9, 2023 8:25:30 GMT
Even if they wanted to, the government couldnt sell the properties. I suspect the value on some of them are almost incalculable.
Blenheim Palace is basically my back garden and you wander about that place and wonder just how much money it would cost to build now. Its level of opulence is unfathomable.
As is the level of maintenance you would need just to keep it upright. Nobody in their right mind would buy an ancient palace.
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Post by Dougs on May 9, 2023 8:29:27 GMT
aye, best case is that they are all handed over to national trust/English heritage. Osborne House down here is similar. ridiculous
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Post by zephro on May 9, 2023 12:30:49 GMT
Though Blenheim was built partly by Parliament for John Churchill after the battle of Blenheim, it was something like 20% of the defence budget (around this time really the only outgoing of the UK Parliament was defence spending).
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Post by rawshark on May 9, 2023 12:35:58 GMT
One thing the concert showed was that Windsor makes a cool backdrop for events. Post-revolution I vote for the approach to be turned into a permanent open-air events space. On the provision that Coldplay never play there.
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Post by Vortex on May 9, 2023 14:26:43 GMT
I would happily moot Chris Martin's head be put on a spike at Windsor gates.
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Post by simple on May 9, 2023 15:21:14 GMT
I’d take a Coldplay residency for a well managed transition from monarchy. If its a ceremonial presidency he could even get first go.
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Post by elstoof on May 17, 2023 6:35:17 GMT
“I was just a girl, applying to the same university as a Prince and deferring entry so we’re in the same year, asking him to love her”  |
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Post by geefe on May 17, 2023 7:08:03 GMT
It seemed like a set-up at the time and seems more that way now. Just as arranged as Charles and Diana.
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 17, 2023 7:24:22 GMT
Having a royal head-of-state means we avoid the embarrassment of having our prime minister act as that is one of the only arguments I find compelling as a reason to keep them.
But as this is largely ceremonial, can't we just replace them with a dog. I would support a dog as the head of state. It would be amusing to have the dog invited to and present at diplomatic functions too.
But not a pug or chihuahua, those are awful. But any other dog.
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Post by Dougs on May 17, 2023 7:26:31 GMT
Ha, I never knew that was what happened. Can't help but think she's perhaps a bit lower on the class scale than they might have wanted though.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 17, 2023 8:05:59 GMT
Didn't her mum have a goal of her grabbing a prince?
Anyway, I think we should have a cat. It would be better for gifs to attract tourists.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 17, 2023 8:07:11 GMT
The girl has a short name and I always tease her about what it will be lengthened to when we sell her to the royal family.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 17, 2023 8:12:52 GMT
Having a royal head-of-state means we avoid the embarrassment of having our prime minister act as that is one of the only arguments I find compelling as a reason to keep them. Is that really a compelling argument? Were Johnson and Truss any less of a national embarassment because they were not the president? I do hear that bandied around a lot and when the PM can just lie to the monarch with impunity, it does remove that 'neutral check to power' argument. At least in a president/prime minister set up, there is some form of check, even if it can be corrupted like in russia and italy. Here we have absolutely no check at all. |
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Post by geefe on May 17, 2023 8:14:54 GMT
Didn't her mum have a goal of her grabbing a prince? Anyway, I think we should have a cat. It would be better for gifs to attract tourists. Something like that. Her family was of "good stock" but not amazing. Certainly not Diana Spencer level but it was definitely kind of engineered. It seems Harry was on that path to until, ironically, the recent revelation that the press killed his relationship to a pretty blonde girl. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 17, 2023 8:24:46 GMT
Having a royal head-of-state means we avoid the embarrassment of having our prime minister act as that is one of the only arguments I find compelling as a reason to keep them. Is that really a compelling argument? Were Johnson and Truss any less of a national embarassment because they were not the president? I do hear that bandied around a lot and when the PM can just lie to the monarch with impunity, it does remove that 'neutral check to power' argument. At least in a president/prime minister set up, there is some form of check, even if it can be corrupted like in russia and italy. Here we have absolutely no check at all. You make a good point, it's not very compelling as such, but it's still comparitively the most compelling argument I've heard. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 17, 2023 8:26:04 GMT
I mean, you can see why they chose her. That gene pool is very, very shallow.
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Post by geefe on May 17, 2023 8:37:11 GMT
I mean, you can see why they chose her. That gene pool is very, very shallow. Wasn't there a meme that her sister was the better one? |
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Post by Lizard on May 17, 2023 9:09:35 GMT
Didn't her mum have a goal of her grabbing a prince? Anyway, I think we should have a cat. It would be better for gifs to attract tourists. Something like that. Her family was of "good stock" but not amazing. Certainly not Diana Spencer level but it was definitely kind of engineered. It seems Harry was on that path to until, ironically, the recent revelation that the press killed his relationship to a pretty blonde girl. Kate isn't an aristocrat, hence being referred to as a 'commoner' by the press at the time, despite her being posh as fuck. Part of the long game to modernise the Royals. |
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