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Post by technoish on Dec 12, 2021 10:14:26 GMT
I might have already posted this, but seems really obvious the bad guy is actually the mother, who opportunistically murdered the father during the 2012 chaos, and is now framing sword guy for the murder of Old Man she didn’t like.
Her birth name will turn out to be Fisk and Kingpin her brother. Yeah there is definitely something fishy - they were the one that had beef with Armand III. |
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Post by lexw on Dec 12, 2021 12:50:02 GMT
I might have already posted this, but seems really obvious the bad guy is actually That would be amazing but I have to say I am rather skeptical that it is the case, for a couple of reasons:
1) Wilson Fisk does not, canonically, have a sister. His backstory kind of requires him not to, and indeed if they used D'Onofrio-Kingpin as some have rumoured - skeptical there too - he's an only child and they actually covered his young history. He does have a wife, who has a similar flash style to this lady, but that doesn't work here. And so far the MCU has not really invented any characters out of entirely whole cloth that I can think of, not major villains anyway.
2) Sword Guy is definitely up to something, because he's hiding superior fencing skills, appeared to know the TSM were coming to the auction, and immediately stole that sword and so on.
So it's possible, and would be cool, but I'd be pretty surprised. More likely she's revealed to be a crook in some other way.
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Post by simple on Dec 12, 2021 13:44:02 GMT
I was trying to think of sword based Marvel Comics characters but he’s obviously not Shatterstar or Black Knight and I can’t wrack my brain hard enough for any good villains.
What would be good would be using this as a chance to namedrop the Hellfire Club in the MCU
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Post by wildbillch on Dec 12, 2021 14:18:07 GMT
I was trying to think of sword based Marvel Comics characters but he’s obviously not Shatterstar or Black Knight and I can’t wrack my brain hard enough for any good villains. What would be good would be using this as a chance to namedrop the Hellfire Club in the MCU He’s some old school Avengers character called Swordsman, who is a man who is good at swords I believe |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 14:19:55 GMT
I might have already posted this, but seems really obvious the bad guy is actually the mother, who opportunistically murdered the father during the 2012 chaos, and is now framing sword guy for the murder of Old Man she didn’t like.
Her birth name will turn out to be Fisk and Kingpin her brother. I thought that as well, apart from your last point. But yeah. I've had suspicions. |
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Post by KD on Dec 12, 2021 14:48:27 GMT
The Swordsman trained Hawkeye whe he was a teen in the comics, youtube told me anyway.
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Post by baihu1983 on Dec 12, 2021 15:35:10 GMT
Not technically MCU, but Marvel/Spider-Man related. First is still the best spider man film so I'm more than up for this. Cage back? |
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Post by HoriZon on Dec 12, 2021 18:24:52 GMT
Me and the Mrs are booked in for Spider-man on Wednesday get the kid to school and get to VUE for 10am must get snacks beforehand  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 13:59:03 GMT
Just started watching Bow and Arrow Guy. Is there any explanation as to how the 9 stone school girl can can beat up 35 burly henchmen without breaking a sweat?
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Post by simple on Dec 13, 2021 14:30:39 GMT
Did karate after school on Thursdays
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Post by technoish on Dec 13, 2021 14:35:15 GMT
Are you familiar with the concept of comics?!?
Black Widow and Bow and Arrow Man not dying a hundred times over in the Avengers films fighting super powered aliens is a lot more fantastical!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 14:37:09 GMT
Well yes but there's normally some kind of hand wavey explanation. Whether it be super powers or elite training or whatever.
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Post by neilch on Dec 13, 2021 15:10:20 GMT
Well yes but there's normally some kind of hand wavey explanation. Whether it be super powers or elite training or whatever. The intro titles show her growing up and winning archery, gymnastics, and karate medals. Then they have that scene where she gives her latest medal to her mum and they talk about running out of space. Granted not exactly "elite" like Black Widow but they do set the scene for obsessive training after seeing Bow and Arrow guy save her life |
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Post by aubergine on Dec 13, 2021 15:45:45 GMT
Her special power is being obsessed with Hawkeye after seeing him shoot an arrow on the day her father died.
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Post by lexw on Dec 14, 2021 0:33:17 GMT
Well yes but there's normally some kind of hand wavey explanation. Whether it be super powers or elite training or whatever. Elite training is the explanation in this case (for both of them) though I have to admit that it isn't not very well-highlighted, and to be fair, the character's representative quote on the Marvel Wiki is her saying she doesn't have any powers and "not nearly enough training" but is doing it anyway. Also not really a spoiler but you don't see until later she seems to have unnaturally precise and fast reflexes like Hawkeye does. There's no source given for this in either case. For people who've seen it: The shit with throwing the coin, like I don't care how fancy you are, a normal human can't make a coin do that, but they both can. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 14, 2021 0:58:03 GMT
I thought they set up her obsessive training quite well in the intro. Karate, US#2 in Fencing, etc... I did like that in the fights against the bunch of burly guys, she was quicker and could take them down, but she didn't hit hard enough to keep them down. When Clint showed up he was putting them down much harder. On the other hand, while she did get some light scratches, she really should have come out of that fight with at least some broken ribs. Her mum didn't seem to even comment on the scratches.  |
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Post by aubergine on Dec 14, 2021 2:22:15 GMT
Look, I have abnormally fast and precise reflexes. No limit to what I could have done if I’d applied myself. People are sometimes surprised when I pull something off because I appear to be an uncoordinated blob.
It just annoys me when people think you need to be bitten by a laser bird to be exceptionally good at anything. Practicing for ten years with the best instructors your rich mother could provide is probably enough.
That said, I want people with no powers to bruise and get injured properly. Black Widow was a terrible movie for invulnerable women’s skin and bones.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 14, 2021 5:00:49 GMT
Yeah, but on the other hand Marvel movies aren't really the kind of movies people watch to see people get beaten to a pulp. Once they acknowledge that they're vulnerable, they're gonna have to work hard to justify why they don't get beaten to a pulp within the first 5 seconds of every fight with supers. Maybe best to just assume their plot armor is strong.
I mean, even for the supers, they don't all have invulnerablity, so some of the crap they go through should leave them in much worse state than it really does. Same goes for James Bond, etc..
I did like that Hawkeye acknowledged that 10 years of trying to keep up with the avengers has fubared Clint's body.
Jessica Jones has superpowers, but that didn't stop her needing to hold herself together with clingfilm. The netflix marvel shows were a lot more gritty in terms of showing injury though.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 14, 2021 5:11:26 GMT
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Chris Pratt get beaten to a pulp.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 14, 2021 5:11:48 GMT
In a movie.
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Post by aubergine on Dec 14, 2021 5:25:30 GMT
Chris Pratt takes plenty of on-screen bruises.
... to his heart
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Post by lexw on Dec 14, 2021 15:23:23 GMT
Yeah, but on the other hand Marvel movies aren't really the kind of movies people watch to see people get beaten to a pulp. Once they acknowledge that they're vulnerable, they're gonna have to work hard to justify why they don't get beaten to a pulp within the first 5 seconds of every fight with supers. Maybe best to just assume their plot armor is strong. I mean, even for the supers, they don't all have invulnerablity, so some of the crap they go through should leave them in much worse state than it really does. Same goes for James Bond, etc.. I did like that Hawkeye acknowledged that 10 years of trying to keep up with the avengers has fubared Clint's body. Jessica Jones has superpowers, but that didn't stop her needing to hold herself together with clingfilm. The netflix marvel shows were a lot more gritty in terms of showing injury though. This is an interesting point, I just got done watching Stargirl S2, which is generally lighter-hearted and more "Silver Age" than the MCU, but after big fights the characters in Stargirl are much more beat up, with bigass bruises and abrasions and hell one of them had a broken arm, whereas in Marvel, you'd be surprised to see a black eye. The Netflix shows were even heavier on injury, too, yeah. |
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Post by Derblington on Dec 15, 2021 7:54:43 GMT
They do get beat up they just don’t linger on it. Spidey gets mangled in Far From Home, for example, and Rhodey becomes a paraplegic in Civil War.
On more exciting news, It’s No Way Home day!
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Post by Saul1138 on Dec 15, 2021 10:30:11 GMT
In her film, Black Widow is shown to be battered and bruised when she meets her sister in the safe house in Budapest. Kate in Hawkeye is shown with plenty of scrapes a cuts. The MCU does show people getting hurt quite regularly, but they push through it.
Hawkeye this week was really good. The plot thickens and thickens. Is there only one episode left?
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Post by lexw on Dec 15, 2021 12:59:57 GMT
I guess I just disagree re: "quite regularly". It's very rare imo and most of the injuries are extremely minor and nigh-instantly recovered from. Hawkeye is the first one where people even got cuts, and I haven't seen a single bruise yet IIRC. Rhodes getting mangled is one of the few major injuries. I think the lack of bruises is mostly an affectation designed to keep it from seeming "too real", because most RL injuries from violence involve serious bruising and might trigger people (no sarcasm on use of word trigger, I get it). It reflects the comics, for sure (X-Men had it so bad they basically had to make up that all mutants have low-level injury resistance in the comics), but it differentiates the MCU from some other stuff. Anyway, agree that Hawkeye this week was good. It was a shorter episode at about 40 minutes but it was quite well-packed, and Kate and Clint remain extremely well-executed and Kate is just already one of the most likeable characters the MCU has ever had honestly, which is extremely good work for a character who is on paper a rich girl overachiever. Honestly Steinfeld feels like she'll go far, she's got a real Hollywood quality to her in a good way. Spoiler-wise (massive spoilers) Wellllll looks like those Kingpin rumours were spot-on, when they started talking about "The Big Guy" I couldn't think of anyone else, but I don't know the connection between Hawkeye and Kingpin. Suddenly the bizarre claim that the mom is Kingpin's sister seems more plausible, though I do wonder if she's actually just a lackey. As expected the plot played out that Clint had to be rescued by Kate, but it wasn't drawn out or annoying like these plots usually are, and instead they had the hilarious phone messages Kate left. I knew the mom was finally definitely a baddy when she said "Don't feel bad that you can't be a superhero", rather than being supportive in a normal way, or saying "You can be a hero in a different way!" or something. IRL sure people say stuff like that without being bad, but in the MCU? Naaaaah.
Also holy shit Florence Pugh is off the hook. Did we just get a generation of effin' great actresses or something? I can't think of any great male actors in the same age range? Tom Holland is godawful and absolutely should fulfil his dream of returning to the stage. I guess we have people like John Boyega who can be very good oh and Timothee Chalamet is like 0 years old and is amazing. Will Poulter maybe but I don't think he is quite on a level with Pugh and Steinfeld. Anyway her Yelena remains just outright better-acted and more convincing then Natasha Romanoff ever was. Also funnier and more charismatic to book. Sure she reminds me of Ray Winstone in a weird way but he's great too. Also hah they were in Black Widow together, forgot that.
Also Royal Tenenbaums reference was absolutely spot-on, that'd been bugging me for weeks lol, and as if by magic, Royal Tenenbaums appeared on Disney+ today! That's how you do cross-marketing, I guess! |
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Post by Derblington on Dec 15, 2021 13:40:27 GMT
I agree about the bruising. Generally the heroes are seen in good condition but they all get messed up. Cuts and bleeding is pretty common in all the films.
Stark literally has to create his own life support due to his injuries. Blonski gets rekt by the Hulk before being given the serum. Cap got beat up before becoming a super soldier, Bucky lost his arm. Strange had his hands mangled in the car crash. They all get fucked up by Thanos.
They all recover very quickly though. The Netflix shows showed them suffering more, but they were higher age rated.
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Post by aubergine on Dec 15, 2021 13:41:37 GMT
All I remember from Black Widow is Ray Winston’s punches her in the face ten times and she doesn’t even smear her lipstick, let alone get a bruise out of it. She falls off buildings, blows up in cars, falls from cloudland, generally gets smacked around and she’s made of Teflon rubber apparently.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 15, 2021 14:46:50 GMT
Oh yeah for real. She has a fucking car crash down a subway and walks away unscathed, it's hilarious.
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Post by Tuffty on Dec 15, 2021 19:08:19 GMT
People on twitter really really don't give a fuck about spoiling things do they? Best avoid for the next few days.
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Post by KD on Dec 15, 2021 19:10:54 GMT
I missed the after credits scene and searched YouTube just now, it offered most the big moments in the search results so be careful.
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