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Sekiro
Aug 27, 2021 10:09:56 GMT
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Post by bichii on Aug 27, 2021 10:09:56 GMT
Nope not having it . Even if one prefers dark souls to sekiro it's pure fact that Bloodborne is better. Dark souls was up there as my favourite game and yes it had the biggest impact on me when I played it as it was new and incredible. However now loading up dark souls then playing either Bloodborne or sekiro it's night and day in quality. Opinions . I do admit yes dark souls games has the way more customisation which is great but the actual gameplay is so dull now Vs the newer games. I'm so excited/hopeful for Elden ring as from the trailer it looks like dark souls in aesthetic and RPG elements but the combat clips looks like it takes from BB and sekiro rather than dark souls. SO EXCITING!!!
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Aug 27, 2021 10:58:50 GMT
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Post by Rodderz on Aug 27, 2021 10:58:50 GMT
I'm so excited/hopeful for Elden ring as from the trailer it looks like dark souls in aesthetic and RPG elements but the combat clips looks like it takes from BB and sekiro rather than dark souls. SO EXCITING!!! Looks like there's even a bit of Ghosts of Tsushima in there too, given the attacks you can do from horseback and/or leaping off a horse to get stuck in. One intriguing aspect of ER could be the more open nature of the game, given it supposedly has a more Zelda-esque layout with various hubs (dungeons) to explore accessed via an openworld area. So we might have some people who've travelled to one location and are facing some awful monstrosity (help, I'm being squashed by a giant crawling pot!), whilst another lot are exploring an entirely different location and are facing their own threats (shit, something just sucked my characters brain out through his arsehole!). The other FROM games have a more linear path, so everyone is usually facing the same boss or enemies whilst travelling on along the same path to completion. There are of course the occasional exceptions, like accessing some areas earlier, but generally there's some order to who you're facing at cetein points in the game. ER at least looks different in that regard, as far as we can tell at this point, and that could be interesting.
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Sekiro
Aug 30, 2021 8:58:18 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 8:58:18 GMT
Couldn't sleep last night so fired this up. Snakeyes in the Depths is dead, as is the illusionary monk. Took a fair few goes against O'Rin. Good fight though. I noticed they've removed the ability to wangle a stealth backstab death blow on her so actually had to fight her properly through both her phases. Waa quite chuffed when I did it though as by the time I killed her I'd basically learned her moves and deflected like a beast as well as jumping all her swepps. The sabimaru certainly helped at the start of each phase to get her vitality down a chunk. Considering my first play through I could only kill her with a stealth deathblow and the running like an idiot, it was good to fight properly. Same with Snakeyes, just got right stuck in.
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Sekiro
Aug 30, 2021 10:33:12 GMT
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Post by bichii on Aug 30, 2021 10:33:12 GMT
Couldn't sleep last night so fired this up. Snakeyes in the Depths is dead, as is the illusionary monk. Took a fair few goes against O'Rin. Good fight though. I noticed they've removed the ability to wangle a stealth backstab death blow on her so actually had to fight her properly through both her phases. Waa quite chuffed when I did it though as by the time I killed her I'd basically learned her moves and deflected like a beast as well as jumping all her swepps. The sabimaru certainly helped at the start of each phase to get her vitality down a chunk. Considering my first play through I could only kill her with a stealth deathblow and the running like an idiot, it was good to fight properly. Same with Snakeyes, just got right stuck in. Sounds like you almost semi pro now!! What you need is the ceremony knife then you could have just kept poisoning o'rin
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Sekiro
Aug 30, 2021 10:35:55 GMT
Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 30, 2021 10:35:55 GMT
I see your avatar as the Sculptor playing (probably DS2) with a controller made from a human head
Have you decided what ending you're going for yet?
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Sekiro
Aug 30, 2021 10:39:49 GMT
Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 30, 2021 10:39:49 GMT
I feel like maybe I was suppose to use the shinobi tools a bit more. I think the description for the poison blade specifically states it's useful against the gunner women but I did not find that to be the case in practice. I don't know if it's because I played it pre-patched. I only ever used the tools when it was necessary, like the shield guys
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Sekiro
Aug 30, 2021 10:54:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 10:54:25 GMT
I'm trying to make the most of the tools and the combat arts this time. Really enjoying trying stuff out. Even the axe on regular sword goons. I'd always kept it for shield twats but it bloody destroys posture, especially with a fang and blade follow up.
I'll be playing this right up to elden ring. I'm a bit in love with it now.
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Sekiro
Aug 30, 2021 10:56:49 GMT
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Post by bichii on Aug 30, 2021 10:56:49 GMT
I'm trying to make the most of the tools and the combat arts this time. Really enjoying trying stuff out. Even the axe on regular speed goons. I'd always kept it for shield twats but it bloody destroys posture, especially with a fang and blade follow up. I'll be playing this right up to elden ring. I'm a bit in love with it now. The axe also wrecks the little rats that block your attacks with their hats. Usually splits the hat in two after one or two hits. The upgraded spear swipe attack is loooovely when being engaged by multiple enemies. You need projected and living force asap. Expensive in skill points but amazing.
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Aug 30, 2021 10:57:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 10:57:38 GMT
I unlocked Ashina Cross, but is it worth the two emblems it uses up?
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Sekiro
Aug 30, 2021 11:19:07 GMT
Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 30, 2021 11:19:07 GMT
I'm trying to make the most of the tools and the combat arts this time. Really enjoying trying stuff out. Even the axe on regular speed goons. I'd always kept it for shield twats but it bloody destroys posture, especially with a fang and blade follow up. I'll be playing this right up to elden ring. I'm a bit in love with it now. The axe also wrecks the little rats that block your attacks with their hats. Usually splits the hat in two after one or two hits. The upgraded spear swipe attack is loooovely when being engaged by multiple enemies. You need projected and living force asap. Expensive in skill points but amazing. Ah yeah, I did use the axe on the hat things. I didn't even use most of the combat arts (and nothing regularly). I guess you could call it a sword/deflects only run? Was I bad at Sekiro?
To be honest, I just don't like relying on things with limited uses
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Sekiro
Aug 30, 2021 11:29:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 11:29:17 GMT
I don't mind so much as I was faffing in bloodborne before starting this again so used to the blood bullets / emblems situation.
Tell you what. It's quite nice being able to swim underwater this early in the game.
I suppose I better go on to Ashina Castle and finally face Genichiro now. Quite curious as to how I'll get on with my new mindset.
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Sekiro
Aug 30, 2021 11:44:59 GMT
Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 30, 2021 11:44:59 GMT
I was really impressed with the swimming in Sekiro as, to my knowledge, it's the first time From had done it. I think Sekiro is their most technically impressive game, they even pushed the boat out and made the characters mouths move
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Sekiro
Aug 30, 2021 11:48:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 11:48:55 GMT
And reading about Elden Ring, I think they're just about to step it up a fair notch again.
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Sekiro
Aug 30, 2021 11:59:06 GMT
Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 30, 2021 11:59:06 GMT
All I know about Aged Anus is that it's open world (boo) and they got the Game of Thrones man in to ran a thesaurus over their Dark Souls backstory
The fantasy setting of Dark Souls has never been appealing to me anyway. Bloodborne is the only game I find thematically interesting so not feeling the hype for the new one. I'm sure it'll be great to play once it's out though. Then can we have Bloodborne 2 please
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Sekiro
Aug 30, 2021 12:28:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 12:28:01 GMT
I love their fantasy settings so my thumbs are oiled and ready. I do want a Bloodborne 2 though. Very muchly.
It's funny there was never a proper DLC for Sekiro. I wonder if that, and the fact they ended up with a smaller game world in comparison to their other offerings, was due to the fact that it was only ever intended as a smaller scale game so they could concentrate on Elden Ring.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 30, 2021 12:42:16 GMT
I think it would be more difficult to sustain a longer game without character progression and new weapons and things like that, especially with how exhausting Sekiro can be. I know bichii has played it an insane number of times but, even though I find it interesting to read about her strategies, I still have no interest whatsoever in playing it again. The last time I tried playing it, I gave up pretty early on because I just couldn't be arsed with the stealth anymore and just kept getting frustrated
There really can't be that many people who have completed Sekiro 10+ times! Someone should contact From - we can probably get her put in the sequel as an NPC. Maybe the Hanbei replacement
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Sekiro
Aug 30, 2021 12:49:23 GMT
Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 30, 2021 12:49:23 GMT
As for the setting of Dark Souls, I should say I don't care for fantasy in general. I do enjoy the settings and find some of the lore interesting when I'm playing it, but it's more in the context of being invested and immersed in the game
I've never even understood the origins of the Dark Souls stuff. There was no world before the flame but there was sort of a world with dragons in. Then the flame... just was, and there were Lord souls in it for some reason
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Sekiro
Aug 31, 2021 11:08:49 GMT
Post by Duffking on Aug 31, 2021 11:08:49 GMT
Edit: wow, it not taking me to the last page of threads keeps fucking me up
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Aug 31, 2021 11:14:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 11:14:49 GMT
Soooo... Thought I'd have a wing at Genichiro for practice and killed the fucker first time. I can't say it was graceful, but it was proper, and bloody fun. Then I killed my way through Senpou and the silly monkeys.
Just rinsed the gunfort and killed the other snake eyes and the other centipede first time each as well (snake eyes got fucked up by sebimaru and centipede by my awesome deflecting) so I'm on my way to big hairy boy.
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Sekiro
Aug 31, 2021 11:15:42 GMT
Post by Phattso on Aug 31, 2021 11:15:42 GMT
I was forced to play this by the shuddering shitheels in the PIGWHIP thread. Fucking hard, innit?
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Sekiro
Aug 31, 2021 11:21:25 GMT
Post by Duffking on Aug 31, 2021 11:21:25 GMT
A lot of it is the learning curve. I found the difficulty trended downward post Genichiro with a couple of spikes at well known bosses. Once you "get" the combat unless it's an enemy that really mixes things up it's not too bad. It's just a question of if it clicks with you.
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Sekiro
Aug 31, 2021 11:36:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 11:36:04 GMT
Yeah, you've got to play it how the game wants you to. If you try it anything other way you'll be in bother. My first playthrough was hard as shit as I tried to play it like Bloodborne. I'm now doing what it wants - getting stuck in, keeping the pressure up and using my combat arts and prosthetics tactically - and it's a lot more manageable as a result. I don't think I've properly died more than 12-15 times so far, and playthrough 1 had my deaths in the 100s by this point.
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Aug 31, 2021 11:55:40 GMT
Post by Phattso on Aug 31, 2021 11:55:40 GMT
I don't have a strong opinion on how to play the game - I'm three hours in! It's just fucking hard, innit? I've used the undead guy for practice and feel like I've got all the deflect/Mikiri counter shit down... and then I meet a mini boss in the game proper and get reamed. I've got two strands of progress right now - one is in the main thread that you follow from the start where I've just got beyond a chained up ogre - that's mainly in explore mode of the next area there. There's also another thread, In the past, after I used the bell on the Buddha where I've made it to some prick with a spear and I just can't get any rhythm up in the fight. I've used stealth to get a sneaky backstab in but just can't succeed in going toe-to-toe or Mikiri countering, or anything. And it's a polished ball bag of a run of shame, fighting a good half a dozen dudes, before I can have another attempt. Like, I don't have an issue with the fight being a challenge, but a good few minutes between attempts is a really patience sapper. Feels like it's running at 60fps on the Series X, which is good. In general I'm liking the faster pace. Faster than Bloodborne even, and really makes Dark Souls look like a treacle wading simulator. Plus the feudal Japanese setting is always a big win for me, so I'm digging that. I'll keep plugging away at the open strands, so it's not like I'm at a dead end, but I haven't even made it a proper boss yet! *gulp*
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Sekiro
Aug 31, 2021 12:03:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 12:03:02 GMT
The mini-bosses are proper hard so don't feel bad about struggling. The shinobi hunter you've met in Hirata is a pain but if you clear out all the other enemies, run away so he resets, then sneak through the grass for a backstab to give yourself an easier time. Then it is just a case of watching his attacks. You'll learn what you can counter and how. If the unblockable is a thrust, you can mikiri it, if it's a sweep jump and spring off his stupid head. Don't rush it and block ALL the time. You can still deflect after you've started blocking so it should be your default move. If you need to regain some posture, back off and keep your block up as it goes down faster when you're blocking and not getting attacked. The chained ogre hates fire. If you have oil, lob it at him then set him alight and get a shit ton of hits in. Rest of the time stay nimble and focus on evasion - one of the only times I've found it better to evade than block.
Remember that stealth is a valid option most of the time for sub-bosses. You can even get a stealth deathblow on the chained ogre as well if you sneak up from the correct angle. Always look to see how you can do that first, then you only need to fight a miniboss with one life bar. If you DO get a stealth deathblow, don't run away completely... if a miniboss resets, he gains all his health bars back.
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Sekiro
Aug 31, 2021 12:29:31 GMT
Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 31, 2021 12:29:31 GMT
It takes a while to get Sekiro. I said it somewhere else, but the most difficult part for me was when I wasn't sure if I should be attacking or deflecting against enemies. It's both and it takes a while for you to develop the judgement on when either is appropriate. I also struggled on the spear mini-boss (and hated that you have to clear out about 3 or 4 adds to get another attempt on him just to die in seconds). Bait out their attacks and then back off immediately to get an idea of the timing, then just go all in and try deflecting. Hopefully you'll start to develop some confidence once you get more comfortable and can start enjoying it properly
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Sekiro
Aug 31, 2021 12:47:02 GMT
Post by Phattso on Aug 31, 2021 12:47:02 GMT
Cool - thanks for confirming that this particular mini-boss (with the spear) is a ball ache, and that I'm not missing an obvious shortcut. I'm already using the backstab, and clearing out the adds, so that's in hand. But, as I say, going toe-to-toe always ends very quickly. Guess I'll just have to swallow the frustration and bang my head against him for a bit.
Chained ogre was done a while back, it was the easiest mini boss so far. In fact I was so convinced it wasn't a mini-boss that I was caught off-guard when he stood back up after the first deathblow. :-D
Spear-bastard notwithstanding, the hardest part from me is when I get mobbed by a group. The lock-on doesn't behave vary well with different targets at different distances, so it can be really hard to (for example) get a bead on an archer or whatever and murder in an optimal order. That's a longstanding From thing though. Lock-on and camera can both be liabilities in certain circumstances.
Hey-ho, at least I'm still relatively upbeat after my first few hours. And as long as there are always different strands to be following hopefully I can be keeping my interest up long enough for the skills to grow.
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Sekiro
Aug 31, 2021 12:55:02 GMT
Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 31, 2021 12:55:02 GMT
I think I found it easier to follow the main route through Ashina before doing the memory stuff As for groups, just try picking them off with stealth to thin them out. You can always kill one or two and then make a tactical retreat until their aggro level resets
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Sekiro
Aug 31, 2021 13:07:23 GMT
Post by Phattso on Aug 31, 2021 13:07:23 GMT
Yeah, that's what I've ended up doing with groups. The grapple hook is a literal life saver when living out my inner cowardly fantasies. I'll bin off Captain Pokey Stick for a while then and focus on Ashina for a while.
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Sekiro
Aug 31, 2021 14:51:40 GMT
Post by Duffking on Aug 31, 2021 14:51:40 GMT
It's worth remembering that most enemies will only actually do one type of perilous attack so once you know what they do, you can just counter it correctly each time.
Most bosses only have 2 they do, and they usually do it at specific points - for example, they might do a jumping attack, land then do a sweep. They shouldn't be doing them at random so once you know what 1/2 they do you can kinda autopilot your response to it and they become far less intimidating. You'll see for example, the boss land and you'll know the perilous is coming and what it'll be before the symbol even appears.
I did Ashina all the way to the first "proper boss" then did swapped to the memory and did that to the end before continuing.
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Sept 1, 2021 8:41:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 8:41:31 GMT
Both headless ape fights have now been done. I eh, never realised how easy his phase 2 was before if you just stand there and deflect, only running away from the terror attack. Phase 1 of the first fight always seems a bit scatty but opening with oil / flame vent and following up with firecrackers seems to be the way to go. I then just ran about a bit and firecrackered the shit when I needed to. I can't believe I really struggled with him first time through.
The fight with his mate was even easier as the mate went down so fast, then it was just deflect deflect deflect dead. Off to the castle again and my fight with Owl.
Talking of which, my boy managed to nail owl after about 30 mins so he's on to the true monk fight now.
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