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Post by Dougs on Nov 19, 2021 18:33:40 GMT
Is there a route to appeal?
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Post by dogbot on Nov 19, 2021 18:34:05 GMT
They should get him into their infantry. He'd increase their weapon systems proficiency by a factor of about 20 million.
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Post by スコットランド on Nov 19, 2021 18:34:34 GMT
Even considering all the insane bullshit and dodgy judge behaviour , it's shocking.
He's actually made for life now, will be a millionaire in no time after driving to another state with an assault rifle and shooting people dead.
Thank fuck I'm European and not in that hellhole.
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Post by 😎 on Nov 19, 2021 18:36:30 GMT
Is there a route to appeal? Not really. Appealing a not guilty verdict clashes with double jeopardy laws, so it would take a court ruling on the law itself to be able to appeal. The only time it really sticks is when a judge overrules a jury decision. |
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Nov 19, 2021 18:39:26 GMT
Yikes.
I assume rioting will ensue.
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Post by Dougs on Nov 19, 2021 18:39:36 GMT
What a mess.
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 19, 2021 18:39:52 GMT
Is there a route to appeal?
EDIT: What gremmi said!
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Post by スコットランド on Nov 19, 2021 18:40:33 GMT
Yikes. I assume rioting will ensue. Without a doubt and who could blame them. |
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Nov 19, 2021 18:42:46 GMT
Fucking hell.
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Post by 😎 on Nov 19, 2021 18:43:48 GMT
If I were more conspiratorially minded I’d suggest the prosecution themselves were corrupted in some way, the sheer number of fuck ups they made was overwhelming. Questioning fifth amendment rights, bringing witnesses to the stand who went against their “Han shot first” argument, bizarre claims about Call of Duty, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 18:45:01 GMT
Posted about it elsewhere. Insane.
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 19, 2021 18:47:53 GMT
The judge was practically creaming his jeans as he thanked the jury members for their service, which seems all kind of gross to me; then again, this is the same guy who instructed that the victims were not to be referred to as such in court, so I dunno why I'm surprised.
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Post by mikeck on Nov 19, 2021 18:53:50 GMT
Saw a tweet that summed it up perfectly:
"Judge Schroeder blocked lawyers using "victim" in front of the jury to describe the people Kyle Rittenhouse killed or wounded.
He approved describing them as "looters" and "rioters" and said a defense lawyer could "demonize them if he wants,""
Absolute joke of a 'trial'.
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Post by 😎 on Nov 19, 2021 18:54:50 GMT
At least the Ahmaud Arbery trial looks to be going the right way. I suspect that will be way worse than Rittenhouse if they get off - the Rittenhouse trial was always a very weak case based on the laws as they are today, which is why it’s almost a good thing that he was found not guilty as it gives greater reason and incentive for legal reform and a more consistent pathway for change. A guilty verdict would have made him a martyr and set off an appeals shitstorm which could have just codified the legal vaguarities even more.
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Post by dogbot on Nov 19, 2021 19:02:45 GMT
Do you really think that there's a will to change?
Most Americans online seem to be focusing on not referring to AR-15s as automatic rifles.
You know, the really important stuff.
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Post by 😎 on Nov 19, 2021 19:16:34 GMT
Do you really think that there's a will to change? Most Americans online seem to be focusing on not referring to AR-15s as automatic rifles. You know, the really important stuff. Maybe I’m optimistic but I’d like to think there is, once the dust settles anyway. I know a few fairly hard core, albeit liberal, gun owners who have been horrified at some of the legal issues this has brought to focus for them. The main thrust of it should be that, as disturbing as it is, it should have really come as zero surprise that he was found not guilty based on the letter of the law, even without the farce of a trial. Media representation hasn’t helped much either, with a lot of the focus from both left and right media distorting it into a binary polemic on politics instead of an objective look at the circumstances and why the laws interpreting it need re-evaluating. That being said that didn’t happen after Trayvon Martin, which has some similarities here. |
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Post by 😎 on Nov 19, 2021 19:30:29 GMT
The civil rights dude on CNN summed it up a little better than I can:
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Post by peekconfusion on Nov 19, 2021 19:30:58 GMT
Given how the US can't bring about change after kids in school get killed, there is zero chance of meaningful change coming from this. All it does is demonstrate the ease with which you can get away with killing black people.
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Post by simple on Nov 19, 2021 19:31:43 GMT
What “victim” hasn’t travelled long distances with a load of guns to use on protesters?
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Post by 😎 on Nov 19, 2021 19:32:27 GMT
Not that I disagree, but all of Rittenhouse’s victims were white.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Nov 19, 2021 19:33:42 GMT
What exactly was he a “victim” of?
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Post by simple on Nov 19, 2021 19:36:16 GMT
I bet he’ll make a tonne of money when his book about gunning down innocent people as an act of “self-defense” comes out
He can even auction the actual weapon like one of the murder cops did after doing a racist killing
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Post by Danno on Nov 19, 2021 19:37:30 GMT
He literally killed people, after attending a town miles - indeed, a state - away from his home, armed, and he walks?
God bless America indeed. Glad I'm a fucking atheist.
Also I hate his smug little fuckface.
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Post by simple on Nov 19, 2021 19:41:57 GMT
What exactly was he a “victim” of? People being mean to him just because he committed a couple of murders |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 19, 2021 19:52:28 GMT
Glad that a teenager who was underage went across state lines illegally, armed with an assault rifle with the intent to use, and maimed and killed people hasnt been the saddled with the pesky notion of consequences. I'm also glad that a very balanced judge and jury of his peers saw it that way too.
Rittenhouse for Congress!
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Nov 19, 2021 19:54:09 GMT
I don't have the words.
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Post by 😎 on Nov 19, 2021 20:03:32 GMT
Some comparisons happening with the Casey Anthony case from a while ago, especially with regards to the wrong charges being filed. It’s being argued that lower charges (second degree or manslaughter) could have been a prosecutorial slam dunk, and that first degree is often too difficult to prove without overwhelming evidence.
The jurors in the Anthony case all basically said “we don’t think she’s innocent but there’s not enough proof for the charge”, I’m wondering if we’ll see similar comments here.
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Post by Sarfrin on Nov 19, 2021 20:06:33 GMT
Saw a tweet that summed it up perfectly: "Judge Schroeder blocked lawyers using "victim" in front of the jury to describe the people Kyle Rittenhouse killed or wounded. He approved describing them as "looters" and "rioters" and said a defense lawyer could "demonize them if he wants,"" Absolute joke of a 'trial'. That alone should be cause to declare a mistrial. |
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 19, 2021 20:10:54 GMT
Isn't that also what happened in the Trayvon Martin case - prosecutorial overreach, leading to a second-degree murder charge that couldn't be proved in court? |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 19, 2021 20:12:32 GMT
Going by how George Zimmerman turned out and I can only predict that greatness awaits this young scrote.
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