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Post by hicksy on Jun 12, 2024 19:48:45 GMT
I'm not all that fussed about romance in RPGs, myself. It's a nice option to have, especially as my IRL dry spell dwarfs that of the Sahara Desert… For a minute there speed reading led me to think you were into dry dwarfs of the Sahara desert. |
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Post by The12thMonkey on Jun 13, 2024 7:25:01 GMT
Gameplay looked pretty meh. Maybe a pick up on a sale a long way down the line, but it just didn't look compelling to me.
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Post by Frog on Jun 13, 2024 7:47:27 GMT
People need to bear in mind it was a level 1 character with almost no skills before completely dismissing the combat. They should have definitely gone with a later slice though to show what it looks like when you are decked out with more skills. (Unless that was shown later as I didn't get the chance to watch it all)
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Post by apollo on Jun 13, 2024 9:40:13 GMT
Gameplay looked pretty meh. Maybe a pick up on a sale a long way down the line, but it just didn't look compelling to me. same here but play it on gamepass.
Also noticed a lot of "toxic positivity" about the game on reddit and other places. Touch grass ffs. Glad its not like this here
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Post by mikew1985 on Jun 13, 2024 10:09:27 GMT
I thought it looked quite good actually after not liking the trailer from the xbox showcase. Art style is really nice and the environments look really good. If they can tie a coherent and engaging stroy/character interactions around it and the combat isn't bunkum then I'll be fairly pleased.
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Post by zephro on Jun 13, 2024 17:17:16 GMT
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Post by Frog on Jun 13, 2024 17:21:01 GMT
Pc gamer have been moaning about everything lately. I've stopped reading their stuff, as someone who quite likes games I can't be doing with their constant whining.
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Post by zephro on Jun 13, 2024 17:22:50 GMT
Pc gamer have been moaning about everything lately. I've stopped reading their stuff, as someone who quite likes games I can't be doing with their constant whining. Huh I started reading it a lot more as I was sick of everyone (well RPS and EG) attempting to be positive about everything, rather than critical. |
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Post by Blue_Mike on Jun 13, 2024 17:34:38 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, Origins and 2 were just something I had to suffer through to get to the really enjoyable Inquisition.
This outpouring of nostalgia-wank articles suddenly pining for Origins' combat system has always seemed to be mostly from either people who haven't played it in a very long time and/or people who love micro-managing exactly when companions should do things like use healing items. Health fallen below 15%? Too bad, soldier on. Health fallen below 10%? Here, have the magical life-saving surgery in a bottle.
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Post by zephro on Jun 13, 2024 17:39:01 GMT
I mean there's a very specific reason that's happening now. It's called Baldur's Gate 3 winning literally every award last year. Turns out you can have both crunchy tactical combat and sell well... So why put up with the compromises? If it's what you truly always wanted, but just played along with Mass Effect.
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 13, 2024 18:24:37 GMT
My guess is that, if mid-2000s BioWare really wanted to make CRPGs - but felt obliged to pander to the console crowd with Mass Effect - those people are no longer with the studio.
Fifteen years (since Dragon Age: Origins) is a lifetime in game development terms, and I'd be amazed if many of the devs who worked on that game are still at BioWare; chances are they've long since moved on, and been replaced with younger developers who only know the post-Dragon Age 2 era of the company.
There's also the EA factor to consider - don't forget that, were it not for the failure of Anthem (and the success of Jedi: Fallen Order), Veilguard would've been another AAA "live service" game at Andrew Wilson's insistence.
The fact that it's coming out as a fully single-player product is a minor miracle, so I can't blame BioWare for not wanting to rock the boat any further by insisting that it be a CRPG... even though Baldur's Gate 3 has shown (since the latest retooling of Veilguard in early 2021, it must be noted) that there's still a market for that type of game.
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 13, 2024 18:48:07 GMT
I'm glad a lot of people are looking forward to it after the gameplay video but it's pretty much the opposite of what I wanted so I'll skip it, for me Origins will continue to be the only one I've liked and I liked that a hell of a lot.
Bioware's biggest problem is that Larian has raised the bar so fucking high that even getting close is possibly more than they can manage.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 13, 2024 18:50:24 GMT
Bioware just need to go full porn
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Post by zephro on Jun 13, 2024 18:52:49 GMT
Yeah I doubt there's anyone left at BioWare who could execute it anyway. But there is a whole trend that people are venting at, myself included and it's entirely understandable. It's probably particularly true of PCGamer, and old RPS.
But in the 00s a bunch of genres almost entirely vanished for a variety of reasons. The main ones being budgets and not fitting with the console market. There's that turn of the millennia sweet spot. Then a good 20 years of the likes of EA's executive teams going "Nah that entire genre can't be done anymore." "There's no market for it" "play it safe" etc. etc. And Baldur's Gate 3 was kind of a massive fuck you to all of that as it sold gangbusters on the consoles. Turns out you can go for rich writing, good graphics and mechanically deep + interesting. Plus actually advance the craft of making games with something new. It's not just a 90s throw back. Also Disco Elysium, Pillars and Divinity Original Sin all hinted in this direction, Larian just made it all work and sell.
So a bunch of people having been told they can't actually have what they wanted, suddenly got it again and have gone full fuck you on the sugar rush. Almost like you don't need to compromise.
See also squad tactics games (then XCOM came back and it was like looking into the face of god), or Immersive Sims (then Dishonoured and Prey, so I'm also riddled with worry by MS). Nobody's really re-invigorated RTS or Space Combat sims, but space sims made a big old come back.
But yeah it's not really Bioware's fault, EA probably fired anyone who disagreed ages ago. I don't even wish Bioware ill. I'm just a bit sad that a dev that I used to hang on their every release is this now. This also relates to how much of a damp squelch Starfield appears to have been, all very mechanically safe and not particularly innovative. I'd be bitching about Total War as well probably if Warhammer wasn't involved. We have CPUs with 8-12 cores these days and 32GB of RAM etc. etc. do something with it you soft cunts.
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 13, 2024 19:09:51 GMT
I certainly don't blame anyone for feeling disappointed by what we've seen of Veilguard. In the space of the past week, I've gone from nervous apprehension pre-SGF ("Surely BioWare isn't going to fuck up three games on the trot... right?"), to utter mortification when the reveal trailer dropped ("Who the hell asked for Dragon Age x Overwatch?!"), to cautious optimism when the gameplay trailer arrived ("Y'know, this might actually be okay"). I only got into Mass Effect and Dragon Age about 18 months ago, when I finally reached the 'acceptance' stage of the grieving process re Microsoft's acquisition of Bethesda. "No more Fallout, no more Elder Scrolls - I'll get Cyberpunk and The Witcher instead! May as well give BioWare a shot while I'm at it."
I totally loved ME 1-3, and really enjoyed Inquisition... ... So I'm very much part of the problem, in that I sit slap-bang in the middle of Veilguard's target audience.
If I was a fan of Origins, looking at Veilguard and rolling my eyes at what the franchise has become, I'd be pissed at me as well  |
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Post by zephro on Jun 13, 2024 19:23:43 GMT
I wouldn't even say fans are a problem. People can like what they like. Ultimately they can only buy what gets made though and the likes of EA or Microsoft are a fucking problem with what even gets out to people. OK Dishonoured didn't sell that well. But CD Project Red's vision has sold and pushed boundaries. So's Larian. Different genre but Firaxis got XCOM out there and people lapped it up. Dwarf Fortress continues and people idolise it. They're just so risk averse at EA and so forth.
Even Doom 2016 coming out as mostly a single player game and one that cleaves to the 90s Industrial Metal side of demon slaying seems like a weirdly risky move to take.
Maybe I should just go load up Cyberpunk and deal with some Corpos.
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Post by lukasz on Jun 14, 2024 6:20:02 GMT
That talk about dragon age reminds me that i still have my 2011 save from dragon age origins.
Stopped playing in last 80 percent of the game. Probably even further.
Hah. Might need to reinstall it!
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 14, 2024 6:26:13 GMT
I kinda want to try Dragon Age Origins, but it looks so bloody long and I feel like it's going to be this epic undertaking.
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Post by lukasz on Jun 14, 2024 6:29:06 GMT
I kinda want to try Dragon Age Origins, but it looks so bloody long and I feel like it's going to be this epic undertaking. It felt very long. I had all dlcs so also lots of content added. It also has 2 infamous long sections. On pc there is a mod to make one of them, shorter. it was that annoying |
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Post by The12thMonkey on Jun 14, 2024 6:46:05 GMT
I kinda want to try Dragon Age Origins, but it looks so bloody long and I feel like it's going to be this epic undertaking. Like a lot of "long" games from that time, it's pretty svelt by today's standards. I think it's about 40 hours, and maybe another 6 for the DLC. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 14, 2024 7:03:41 GMT
How much time does the mod that cuts out the Fade save?
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Post by Tomo on Jun 14, 2024 7:33:56 GMT
DA:O was really good. Smashed through it on the dole. I didn't really play games like that back then. Good memories.
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Post by Dgzter on Jun 14, 2024 8:20:57 GMT
Yeah, I remember really enjoying DA:O. Didn't play 2, but thought Inquisition was utterly dreadful.
This just looks pretty indistinguishable from multiple other sub-par ARPGs of the last few years, tbh. Also, and appreciate it's probably very unfair to judge solely from the trailer and the gameplay slice shown, but the tone, writing, and even the VO work (likely more to do with direction than the VOs themselves) did absolutely nothing for me.
And, as silly as it sounds, really dislike that new name they've went with. Not suggesting Dreadwolf was particularly great, mind you, though definitely cooler than The Veilguard? Meh.
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Post by loto on Jun 14, 2024 8:30:27 GMT
Good memories of DA:O here too. I think I fell proper for Morrigan. Proper waifu she was.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jun 14, 2024 8:32:09 GMT
I liked it too, though I'm pretty sure I'd cringe at certain aspects of it these days.
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Post by Resident Knievel on Jun 14, 2024 8:35:49 GMT
Origins was the first cRPG I played, I really enjoyed it despite it probably being a middling example of the genre.
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 14, 2024 8:41:19 GMT
And, as silly as it sounds, really dislike that new name they've went with. Not suggesting Dreadwolf was particularly great, mind you, though definitely cooler than The Veilguard? Meh.
'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Veilguard.
What's Veilguard? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a turd
By any other name would smell as bad;
So Veilguard would, were he not Veilguard call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Veilguard, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 14, 2024 8:44:14 GMT
Good memories of DA:O here too. I think I fell proper for Morrigan. Proper waifu she was. Thinking about it some more, the only reason I want to play it is because she's voiced by Claudia Black. Maybe I should just watch Farscape instead, it'd be shorter. |
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Post by Dgzter on Jun 14, 2024 8:48:32 GMT
And, as silly as it sounds, really dislike that new name they've went with. Not suggesting Dreadwolf was particularly great, mind you, though definitely cooler than The Veilguard? Meh.
'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Veilguard.
What's Veilguard? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a turd
By any other name would smell as bad;
So Veilguard would, were he not Veilguard call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Veilguard, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.
Alright Juliet, settle down. |
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jun 14, 2024 8:55:32 GMT
Good memories of DA:O here too. I think I fell proper for Morrigan. Proper waifu she was. Thinking about it some more, the only reason I want to play it is because she's voiced by Claudia Black. Maybe I should just watch Farscape instead, it'd be shorter. Yeah, Morrigan is one of the things I think I'd cringe at if I played it again. That and the whole "give presents to people to raise their affection level" thing. Which... if that's the way you're going to do romance, I'd prefer you didn't have it at all. |
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