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Post by JonFE on Mar 6, 2023 9:50:05 GMT
From what little I've played so far (just up to Zhang Jiao, who is kicking my arse constantly) I feel that boss battles are really random; one attempt will see you easily beat the boss to a slither of his health and on the next you barely put a dent.
Still this is the first non-From SoulsBorne game I'm determined to see to the end; tried a bunch of them [both Nioh and Surge games (which I feel are the best contenders of the bunch), Lords of the Fallen, Remnant, Mortal Shell, Steel Rising, etc] which I bounced off for one reason or another...
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 6, 2023 9:58:35 GMT
I get the feeling that if you played this in a years time it would be a pretty different game, similar to Nioh 2. There are a load of QoL stuff they gradually introduced thats just flat out missing and some stuff does need balancing/changing.
Ive played most of the levels without any arrows because you just dont find them out in the wild and I keep forgetting to restock them. You should also be able to sacrifice gear for karma still. Throwables should be bound to d-pad and just hoyed at the enemy youre locked onto and so on and so forth.
I think they got a lot of 'its just too complicated' feedback from Nioh and went a bit far addressing that. Its great and I am enjoying it, its just that, yeah, it feels like its a few patches/DLC drops from greatness which is disappointing considering how they pretty much perfected Nioh 2 by the end.
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Post by wunty on Mar 6, 2023 10:03:25 GMT
Absolutely. That's pretty much it in a nutshell.
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Post by UncleLou on Mar 6, 2023 10:13:57 GMT
I love it as well, but I agree with you, wunty, that it does often feel like a Nioh precursor. And when they said they'd tone down the loot, they seem to have meant the variety, not the quantity. I like my loot, I really do, but finding the 15th identical sword in a huge treasure chest is a bit much even for me.
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Post by UncleLou on Mar 6, 2023 10:15:50 GMT
Am I not looking forward to Lu Bu. I'm so rubbish at bosses; none have been as hard as Zhang Liang so far but even Zhang Bao took me about ten tries (after getting him down to a sliver of health first time, typical...). Roughly how many missions in is Lu Bu? I'm only on about the 4th or 5th. I might even do some research to optimise my build, spells, armour before I get to him. Mind, when I googled yesterday for a few tips, I found masses of "beat him first try" posts, so it might be me...
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 6, 2023 10:20:57 GMT
Ive kind of made peace that I probably have my end game set up already, unless one of the gifted armour sets is decent, and am largely just ignoring/trashing all the gear that I collect.
Any better armour makes me fat and any lighter armour makes me too squishy and I have a plain old iron sword and a pokey stick that scale with fire.
All that said, I do intend to engage with the infinite respec thing once I start collecting decent gear. Its nice to be able to re-roll your stats at will, I just dont have the mats to then spec up the armour and weapons at the moment.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Mar 6, 2023 10:24:43 GMT
I’m liking the assassin armour, that ups your fatal strike damage. I need to really have a look into crafting to see if I can get those bonuses on something a bit more sturdy, but I generally hate that guff so need to summon the enthusiasm for menus.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Mar 6, 2023 10:25:30 GMT
Am I not looking forward to Lu Bu. I'm so rubbish at bosses; none have been as hard as Zhang Liang so far but even Zhang Bao took me about ten tries (after getting him down to a sliver of health first time, typical...). Roughly how many missions in is Lu Bu? I'm only on about the 4th or 5th. I might even do some research to optimise my build, spells, armour before I get to him. Mind, when I googled yesterday for a few tips, I found masses of "beat him first try" posts, so it might be me... I doubt it! The idea of beating a boss first time is laughable to me. I know occasionally Soulsborne games will chuck something a bit softer at you, and in Elden Ring you could end up overlevelled for certain field bosses, but I can still count the number of times I've beaten bosses first time on the fingers of one hand. To be fair, I do love a good challenging boss where it goes from being a brick wall to inching your way to success, attempt after attempt. Hino-Enma in Nioh is a good example of that. My approach to bosses in Wo Long, though, is still a bit chaotic to be honest.
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Post by bichii2 on Mar 6, 2023 10:26:37 GMT
Just noticed there are side mission by clicking travel for the first time. Think I'm on chapter 5 so I have maybe 8 side missions to go back to.
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Post by JuniorFE on Mar 6, 2023 10:26:59 GMT
Also, one personal thing that has nothing to do with gameplay, but there's no model viewer this time. I love the enemy designs these guys come up with and being able to look at all the Yokai and the bosses in detail was something I loved about Nioh. You just get a still image and an annoying bit of auto scrolling text this time. This part annoys me more than you'd expect, for exactly the same reasons. A lot more games should have model viewers, honestly, such great designs that you can't properly appreciate half the time because you're running for your life...
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 6, 2023 10:28:34 GMT
Ive done a bit of crafting. If you recycle all your ones and twos you get a decent stat library. Ive found Im casting a lot of fire spells, so I have rolled some kind of fire damage buff on everything I can.
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Post by JuniorFE on Mar 6, 2023 10:30:08 GMT
Mind, when I googled yesterday for a few tips, I found masses of "beat him first try" posts, so it might be me... I doubt it! The idea of beating a boss first time is laughable to me. I know occasionally Soulsborne games will chuck something a bit softer at you, and in Elden Ring you could end up overlevelled for certain field bosses, but I can still count the number of times I've beaten bosses first time on the fingers of one hand. To be fair, I do love a good challenging boss where it goes from being a brick wall to inching your way to success, attempt after attempt. Hino-Enma in Nioh is a good example of that. My approach to bosses in Wo Long, though, is still a bit chaotic to be honest. It's been a bit less than a year and I still can't believe I did Malenia first try, OP setup or not. Will probably stay the highest point of my Soulsborne career for quite a while. Then again, beating so many bosses with the power of jazz bubbles is up there as well, although for rather different reasons
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Post by wunty on Mar 6, 2023 10:32:05 GMT
Just noticed there are side mission by clicking travel for the first time. Think I'm on chapter 5 so I have maybe 8 side missions to go back to. See! It's barmy. Totally counter intuitive. Just give us a map like Nioh ffs.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Mar 6, 2023 10:33:20 GMT
I doubt it! The idea of beating a boss first time is laughable to me. I know occasionally Soulsborne games will chuck something a bit softer at you, and in Elden Ring you could end up overlevelled for certain field bosses, but I can still count the number of times I've beaten bosses first time on the fingers of one hand. To be fair, I do love a good challenging boss where it goes from being a brick wall to inching your way to success, attempt after attempt. Hino-Enma in Nioh is a good example of that. My approach to bosses in Wo Long, though, is still a bit chaotic to be honest. It's been a bit less than a year and I still can't believe I did Malenia first try, OP setup or not. Will probably stay the highest point of my Soulsborne career for quite a while. Then again, beating so many bosses with the power of jazz bubbles is up there as well, although for rather different reasons Utter madness and as you say hard to top! I did manage to farm a large envoy horn in the Haligtree, still haven't used it in NG+
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Post by UncleLou on Mar 6, 2023 11:02:29 GMT
Just noticed there are side mission by clicking travel for the first time. Think I'm on chapter 5 so I have maybe 8 side missions to go back to. See! It's barmy. Totally counter intuitive. Just give us a map like Nioh ffs. It does have the big advantage that you can save your position in a map though (for example, right before a boss, let's call him, say, Lu Bu, grrrr) and travel to other maps to level up, etc. You can also go the village and it will remember your position in a level, so you can upgrade your stuff, and beam right back next to the flag you last were.
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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 6, 2023 11:06:56 GMT
Did a fairly long mission (can't remember which), got to the boss and the game hard-crashed on my Xbox and booted my back to the Home screen. Completely wiped all progress of the mission and the levelling up I'd done in the mission.
Quite bizarre and a bit frustrating as I would've thought it'd auto-save a bit more often - I was on the mission for a good 40mins.
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Post by JonFE on Mar 6, 2023 11:07:41 GMT
Just noticed there are side mission by clicking travel for the first time. Think I'm on chapter 5 so I have maybe 8 side missions to go back to. Do these side missions have a "completed" state? Because I travelled to one, run around the stage, picking out enemies and raising flags as far as I could go (not too far I might say) and after a while got bored with seemingly having nothing else to do and buggered off...
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 6, 2023 11:12:06 GMT
All the side missions I’ve done so far just ended when you complete the objective, yeah.
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Post by UncleLou on Mar 6, 2023 11:12:45 GMT
Yeah, they have. If you finish one properly, you'll get a notification and are other transported back to the map, or need to talk to someone standing around and then are transported back. Just like the main maps, in other words.
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Post by wunty on Mar 6, 2023 11:15:17 GMT
See! It's barmy. Totally counter intuitive. Just give us a map like Nioh ffs. It does have the big advantage that you can save your position in a map though (for example, right before a boss, let's call him, say, Lu Bu, grrrr) and travel to other maps to level up, etc. You can also go the village and it will remember your position in a level, so you can upgrade your stuff, and beam right back next to the flag you last were. I'm glad you said that actually as I wondered if that's what the case was or not. I was too scared to try it in case it undid all my progress on a particular battlefield.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Mar 6, 2023 11:18:23 GMT
Mind, when I googled yesterday for a few tips, I found masses of "beat him first try" posts, so it might be me... I doubt it! The idea of beating a boss first time is laughable to me. I know occasionally Soulsborne games will chuck something a bit softer at you, and in Elden Ring you could end up overlevelled for certain field bosses, but I can still count the number of times I've beaten bosses first time on the fingers of one hand. To be fair, I do love a good challenging boss where it goes from being a brick wall to inching your way to success, attempt after attempt. Hino-Enma in Nioh is a good example of that. My approach to bosses in Wo Long, though, is still a bit chaotic to be honest. Well, I can add Zhang Jiao to bosses killed first time. I just killed him and had estus flask, sorry cure pot, uses to spare. I don't know wtf is going on with me and this game, the difficulty seems to vary wildly. In this case it was essentially do a few attacks, do as many martial arts attacks as I can, dodge a couple of times, run the hell away when his critical attack was signposted, run back in, rinse and repeat.
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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 6, 2023 11:18:30 GMT
What the guys above me have said - sometimes it's a fairly inoccuous looking enemy who's actually the 'boss' of the sub-mission.
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Post by UncleLou on Mar 6, 2023 13:07:32 GMT
FlexibleFelineIt absolutely does seem to vary wildly. I beat the next boss after Bululu in one go.
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Post by bichii2 on Mar 6, 2023 13:22:41 GMT
Just finished the main mission with the purple goo draining your spirit. Liking it more and more as I go. It's got rid of most of the pointless stuff from nioh games and made it more like the best souls game ever sekiro. Love how I can beat bosses like mad cow by just standing still and deflecting. My lightening buff on my sword seems pretty wild as well now I've added gems to my armour and sword to buff lightening attacks.
Edit. Is there any use for block?? I haven't pressed the button to block yet. I'm assuming your spirit will drain if you just block things?
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Post by uiruki on Mar 6, 2023 13:35:38 GMT
Aside from being insurance for a late parry, it’s a good way to make sure you’re silently walking up to an enemy without having to hold the stick part way.
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Post by bichii2 on Mar 6, 2023 13:37:40 GMT
Nice I'll use that for stealth.
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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 6, 2023 14:03:59 GMT
Could've really done with a crouch/slow walk button for the stealth kills when approaching from behind.
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Post by wunty on Mar 6, 2023 14:04:04 GMT
Yeah I use it most for stealth or when I'm coming up against something new and I'm afraid I'll fuck my deflection up.
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Post by bichii2 on Mar 6, 2023 20:12:30 GMT
Co op is a bit broken. Played from the second mission almost upto where I am in my campaign and we steam rolled each end of level boss in co op. Bosses etc don't seem to scale at all.
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Post by JuniorFE on Mar 6, 2023 23:34:24 GMT
Speaking of co-op, there's an infinite Tiger Seal farm as early as the second main mission...
Travel to the mission from a flag. Moving forward, you'll find a Tiger Seal right next to the first big flag. Pick it up, rest on that flag and travel back to this same mission to restart it. Lather, rinse, repeat as needed. Leave it to me to start finding this type of thing before even starting the game...
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