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Post by Blue_Mike on Mar 9, 2024 15:36:40 GMT
Thought you guitarists might enjoy this:
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Post by f00b_inc on Apr 28, 2024 19:02:26 GMT
Hello! First time poking my head in this thread so apologies in advance if I get laughed out sheepishly but... I've started trying to learn to play the guitar over the past few months with a beaten up old acoustic guitar I had lying around for years. I've always wanted to get myself an electric guitar if I ever showed any commitment so I'm wondering if there's any recommendations anyone might have on a beginners purchase?
Or if looking for a used option are there any good second hand marketplaces worth looking at?
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Post by elstoof on Apr 28, 2024 19:32:53 GMT
What sort of stuff do you want to play, what type of guitar do you picture as the quintessential electric guitar?
Plenty of options for entry level price guitars that are actually very decent, just depends what you want to spend
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Post by mothercruncher on Apr 28, 2024 19:59:07 GMT
Yeah- they’re better and more playable than ever. Might be worth staring a budget and, as for style, what kind of music might you like to play, any guitarists (and therefore guitar types) you like.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Apr 29, 2024 4:50:44 GMT
All good suggestions. In the end, though, the correct answer is a tele. Don't get sniffy about brands like Squier either. I swear by them nowadays. Great range of choices, solidly made, excellent value.
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Post by elstoof on Apr 29, 2024 6:20:38 GMT
You spelled Les Paul wrong
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Apr 29, 2024 6:49:15 GMT
In other words f00b_inc don't trust our advice, we're too clouded by our biases. Seriously, though, elstoof and mothercruncher have given you the best opening advice.
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Post by quadfather on Apr 29, 2024 8:21:20 GMT
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Post by monkman5000 on Apr 29, 2024 8:34:57 GMT
All good suggestions. In the end, though, the correct answer is a tele. Don't get sniffy about brands like Squier either. I swear by them nowadays. Great range of choices, solidly made, excellent value. Agree - there are a lot of variables around taste and music genre, but you really can't go wrong with a Squier Tele if you want a specific recommendation. Should be able to get a pretty decent one for under £200.
Ah, the Affinity range is just over £200 now, prices have gone up. There is a cheaper model, the Sonic, but I don't know much about those. Probably still very decent though.
Best thing is to get yourself to a guitar shop and have a play on a few. It's daunting as a beginner but worth it. Some of them have booths where no one can hear you (or not very well)! (E.g. Andertons in Guildford)
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Post by f00b_inc on Apr 29, 2024 9:59:54 GMT
Thanks for all the input folks - it's true as a total beginner whenever the question is asked everyone has their favourites/biases and it totally goes over the head of a newbie! Honestly I think I just want something to mess about with for now and continue to learn the basics - sounds like I should go mess about in a shop first too.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 29, 2024 10:02:46 GMT
Out of interest, what actually makes a *bad* guitar?
I'm not good enough that I'd probably be able to tell the difference between one consider good and one considered bad.
Is there anything particular to look out for as a warning sign?
Is it a case that as a newbie it wouldn't actually matter that much if the guitar was bad or good until I reached a higher level?
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Post by dmukgr on Apr 29, 2024 10:34:26 GMT
When I started, which is nearly 40 years ago, bad guitars had a really high action and it was like trying to play cheese cutting wire.
These days I can't remember seeing a bad guitar - just get one that the neck is comfortable for your hand size.
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Post by quadfather on Apr 29, 2024 10:35:33 GMT
I suppose a bad guitar is if the neck isn't right because that will mess loads of other stuff up.
I only mess with bass though so the other guys might be able to help more.
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Post by elstoof on Apr 29, 2024 10:42:47 GMT
There’s a number of things that can make a guitar “bad”, a lot of them can be worked around.
Bad construction - this is pretty terminal, but quite rare in the age of CNC machines. Set neck guitars like Les Pauls night have been fitted out of alignment so the strings are off to one side, the neck angle can be incorrect and you have to adjust the bridge height to the extreme to get a decent string action. Bolt on necks like Fenders have to be routed correctly, you don’t want gaps around the heel for instance. You don’t often see guitars with badly aligned bridges any more. You can have these problems but still end up with a guitar that sounds and feels great though
Bad materials - less common now, the days of plywood guitars are pretty much over. Costs are cut on electronics and hardware mostly now, pickups on a cheap guitar might not be the most dynamic sounding
Bad setup - this is the most common you’ll encounter, cheaper guitars won’t have had hours spent fine tuning the fret height, the nut will probably be left really high and the action on the strings will be huge so that it doesn’t buzz when strummed. The truss rod probably won’t have been adjusted and you’ll have tons of relief etc, 9/10 guitars out there will end up playing perfectly well after a decent setup
Just plain dogs - this can happen to any guitar made with the best will in the world, something just doesn’t work, could be a flaw in the neck or something and the guita just doesn’t sustain, sound dull and dead or never stays in tune despite all the fettling you can throw at it. Sometimes a dog ends up really famous, like the Greeny or Page’s No1, couldn’t give them away until they clicked with their owner
A well set up guitar makes a huge difference to a beginner, same with anything you want to learn
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Post by stixxuk on Apr 29, 2024 10:49:44 GMT
My first guitar was an Ibanez, but I'm an idiot and bought one with a floating bridge, which is a ballache to change tunings on. Probably don't do that unless you know that's what you're after. If I was buying now with that in mind, I'd probably get something like this www.ibanez.com/eu/products/detail/rga42fm_1p_07.htmlBut I'm also very much not an expert so probably take others' advice before mine on everything!
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 29, 2024 11:48:41 GMT
This is all very interesting, and I'm now reading all about action height and string intonation adjustment. Though I'm not sure how brave I am about messing with all that, as I'd probably make it worse
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2024 13:02:53 GMT
Really one of the most important things to me in a guitar choice is genre/sort of tone you want. A traditional Telecaster or Strat will struggle a bit on modern rock and metal for saturated tones, but would be fine for blues/indie or anything lighter.
I’d probably recommend a HSS Strat of some description if you can, as you’d have most bases covered then. That simply means a humbucker pickup at the back (more rock) and single coils at the middle/neck positions (more hi-fi, more nuance and less compression, bettter for clean playing).
If you wanna rip out Bon Jovi a Telecaster will sort of do it but there are better options that will be less noisy with it!
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Post by quadfather on Apr 29, 2024 13:11:29 GMT
Loads of advice there.
I've found aesthetics can make a difference too. Not just how it looks but more how it feels.
When I play bass, my technique for my plucking hand is to rest my thumb on the pickup I'm using. My fender has it exactly in the right place and the right height for my thumb.
That red one above that I posted hasn't got that so I struggle to play it a bit. So I've bought a different pickup which may or may not help. Will see! But it definitely affects how well I can play if I've got a good pickup size and location.
You only really notice these things after time but it's all real. Always better to play it if you can before you buy it as guitars have even more nuances than basses.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2024 14:55:06 GMT
True dat - if you don’t love looking at it you won’t love playing it.
It’s why I always thought Pacificas were a good beginner guitar on paper but I find them soulless!
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 29, 2024 15:07:03 GMT
The solution is clearly to stick loads of stickers all over it. It works for making laptops look cooler!
Luckily I never used my Guitar Hero 3 GnR stickers
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Post by elstoof on Apr 29, 2024 15:45:39 GMT
I much prefer set necks with a raised bridge, I like resting my palm on a Tune O Matic more than fender saddles. The strings always feel too close to the body and I’m holding my left hand way forward to reach the neck. Other people find the opposite is preferable
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Post by monkman5000 on Apr 29, 2024 16:15:11 GMT
Really one of the most important things to me in a guitar choice is genre/sort of tone you want. A traditional Telecaster or Strat will struggle a bit on modern rock and metal for saturated tones, but would be fine for blues/indie or anything lighter. I’d probably recommend a HSS Strat of some description if you can, as you’d have most bases covered then. That simply means a humbucker pickup at the back (more rock) and single coils at the middle/neck positions (more hi-fi, more nuance and less compression, bettter for clean playing). If you wanna rip out Bon Jovi a Telecaster will sort of do it but there are better options that will be less noisy with it! Personally I think tone is a pretty minor consideration for a beginner. You can get most guitars to sound close to what you want with pretty much any cheap modelling amp or pedal, and beginners aren't going to hear the nuanced differences. More important is a guitar that you like the look of (so you're inspired to keep picking it up) and that feels comfortable and natural to play imo. That said, I agree an HSS Strat is a good cover-all option.
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Post by mothercruncher on Apr 29, 2024 18:01:58 GMT
The first guitar I made years ago was an HSS strat-like and it really can cover everything, solid advice. I suspect a Pacifica would be a brilliant choice- they’re so well made, but, yep- if it’s not going to inspire you to hold it then, whatever the quality there, it’s the wrong choice. Personally, I’d always go for a quality tits guitar
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Apr 29, 2024 18:05:13 GMT
All good suggestions. In the end, though, the correct answer is a tele. Don't get sniffy about brands like Squier either. I swear by them nowadays. Great range of choices, solidly made, excellent value. Agree - there are a lot of variables around taste and music genre, but you really can't go wrong with a Squier Tele if you want a specific recommendation. Should be able to get a pretty decent one for under £200.
Ah, the Affinity range is just over £200 now, prices have gone up. There is a cheaper model, the Sonic, but I don't know much about those. Probably still very decent though.
Best thing is to get yourself to a guitar shop and have a play on a few. It's daunting as a beginner but worth it. Some of them have booths where no one can hear you (or not very well)! (E.g. Andertons in Guildford)
Affinity range models are still good value at that price, I think. Like you, I don't know much about the Sonic range. My own personal favourite are the Classic Vibes. They really are lovely, I've got one (a CV Starcaster) and have tried out a few others.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Apr 29, 2024 18:08:39 GMT
I know I'm missing the point here but your hearth tiling on the right of the photo is absolutely gorgeous.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2024 18:44:09 GMT
Really does depend on budget. I personally would not go less than about 300 quid new unless it was something I wanted to tinker with. It depends how likely you are to get past messing about for a few weeks against it being a hobby you stick with I guess. In the Squier bracket, the Classic Vibes are generally the best and will be punching towards the old Mexican standards in quality (although I think they have dropped off a bit since the heady days people talked them up as Fender killers). The below would be a banging guitar if your budget would stretch to it. Both Squier and Epiphone have moved away from rosewood fingerboards and tend to use Indian Laurel - it can be a crapshoot whether that wood looks good or not, and I’ve had a Squier CV bass with a fretboard that was basically grey. But - you can’t go wrong with varnished blonde maple! If you get the bug get a more traditional Tele for your next one. www.andertons.co.uk/brands/squier/squier-telecaster-guitars/squier-classic-vibe-70s-telecaster-thinline-maple-fingerboard-naturalI’d start with something like a Fender micro amp with headphones and then if you are ready for amps a Boss Katana 50 would sort you out for bedroom needs.
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Post by monkman5000 on Apr 29, 2024 20:28:09 GMT
I've got the Fender Mustang Micro and the new NUX Mighty Plug Pro for about the same price, and the NUX is miles better imo.
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Post by quadfather on Apr 29, 2024 22:14:29 GMT
I know I'm missing the point here but your hearth tiling on the right of the photo is absolutely gorgeous. Thanks! They're cheap too! I forget the name of the place but If you Google Mexican hearth tiles, then bingo! Here is the full shebang - photos.app.goo.gl/y3QqGiwAFZB2PHnn7
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Apr 30, 2024 3:25:46 GMT
I know I'm missing the point here but your hearth tiling on the right of the photo is absolutely gorgeous. Thanks! They're cheap too! I forget the name of the place but If you Google Mexican hearth tiles, then bingo! Here is the full shebang - photos.app.goo.gl/y3QqGiwAFZB2PHnn7Lovely. It makes me want to play Azul 😀 (wrong country, I know).
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Post by ekz on Apr 30, 2024 4:42:25 GMT
Holy shit, I actually really like that quaddy. In all its glory it looks fucking *nice*.
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