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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Nov 13, 2023 13:46:23 GMT
Hopefully they're adding some for of planetary surface transport to save all the straight line walking from ship to POI.
It would be less of a problem if there were things to see/do between a & b but there isn't unless you want to scan shit.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Nov 15, 2023 19:15:59 GMT
Still can't imagine it being enough to tempt me back, not just yet.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Nov 16, 2023 8:08:03 GMT
It's still in beta FFS. How fucking slow are they to fix stuff?
Can't they put out lots of smaller patches that fix little bits so people can see progressive changes. It's taken that long, most people have just completed the story and moved on.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 16, 2023 8:31:26 GMT
I quite agree. I don't get why it's taken them so long to do some quite basic things that they announced they would do months ago. At least the patch seems good I suppose.
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Post by mothercruncher on Nov 17, 2023 8:10:44 GMT
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 17, 2023 9:16:34 GMT
That's fairly damning isn't it?
I haven't finished it yet (so no spoilers please) but an NG+ mode always felt to be like the antithesis of Bethesda.
I'm not surprised people get to the end and stop. What keeps me playing these games are new places to explore and unique missions to discover. I have never had a desire to build a base just for the sake of it, not have I ever gone back and replayed missions in their games. When I've tried with Skyrim VR, the interest wasn't there as soon as the novelty of VR wore off.
Oblivion, Fallout 3 & Skyrim all had 300+ hours of original content (after expansions and excusing some copy pasted scenery).
After 80-100hrs in Starfield I think I've basically seen all the major cities, and the planets just aren't rewarding enough to randomly pick one and land there. It all hangs on having found a mission in the first place to have the motivation to 'explore'. But if you can't be bothered to run around the cities anymore, then you won't find some of the missions...
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Post by hedben on Nov 17, 2023 9:56:28 GMT
I went to NG+ before I'd completed (or even started) some of the faction questlines, and I think my experience was better for it.
If someone was starting for the first time now, I'd recommend mainlining to the end and then mopping up other stuff in NG+. It feels like the game was built with that in mind, but since they haven't done NG+ before, you can't blame people for wanting to see everything *before* they go to the end - that's certainly how I've played the other Bethesda games.
I agree that there's not (currently) enough content to justify more playthroughs across hundreds of hours a la Skyrim - I'm about to complete the Crimson Fleet quests, and then I'll probably be done with the game for a while. So right now it isn't equivalent to Skyrim at launch, but I assume their plan is to keep adding content, and hope that enough people keep playing (and buying DLC / extra copies on other platforms) to make it worthwhile.
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Nov 17, 2023 12:39:57 GMT
I think the NG+ is the answer to the old issue of "too many feathers in mah cap". Players did moan about being head of the Thieves Guild, The DB, Mages Guild, as well as Dragonborn etc all at the same time, and it's actually a neat solution to it tying in with the story. You can still do that, or split up across seperate plays for the various factions to your hearts content,
I was choked with Covid/flu start of my runthroughs this week, so they took about 3hrs each not really focused, but there's speedruns about an hour long just using laser cutter/buying meds with the starting cash lumpsum. There's also a speechcheck after your first NG, if you want to avoid the bossfight, so everyone's catered for.
I was lucky to unlock the bullet time on my 2nd, and that was what I really wanted, did a 3rd for a few various powers, and now playing the 4th as my "proper" playthrough. And despite the bonus armour/ship reward for finishing the main quest, I've already found better gear through levelling, a tankier ship through unlocks, and keep seeing new gear as I'm progressing.
I've found tons of random encounters, of the built variety (zero-g casino the last one), found a few settlements with a bit of story/amenities off the main worlds, and am looking at hitting the 50s systems tonight. Who knows what lurks in the 75/100 leveled ones.
But I can also fully understand that clicky, clicky, menu, menu isn't what people expected from a Bethesda title, and is nowhere near the same experience as the sprawling lands of old, that modders had already improved the UI tenfold days after release etc.
How many of those tracked Skyrim players are playing base, vanilla 1.0 now ? And how many are playing the mod (Unity?) that turns it into Dark Souls-like with all the bells and whistles ? Or the countless other versions of whatever flavour of mods...
For me, it just nails the aesthetic, and is throwing stunning "one more pic" vistas at me just enough, with the occasional "oooh" weapon/suit/ship to board, and the occasional fun wee encounter. And that's enough for now.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Nov 19, 2023 15:08:28 GMT
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Post by mothercruncher on Nov 19, 2023 15:40:11 GMT
Sweet, sweet door animations.
The game needs a lot of them.
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Post by robthehermit on Nov 20, 2023 8:10:57 GMT
With a bit of luck they're working on all the crap they obviously cut - proper crafting system, space stations, ground vehicles if you have to, decorate ship habs in the same way as bases, proper survival mode where you need a different suit depending on environment. At the very least, if I put a 3x3 cargo hold on a ship, let it carry some actual cargo and not just a poxy crate.
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Post by darkling on Nov 20, 2023 9:11:40 GMT
I've put this on hold for now, maybe indefinitely. Such a shame, as it's been at the top of my list for years.
It's got all the elements of a great Bethesda RPG, but it's all been assembled in the most uninspiring way possible.
If they'd taken the Skyrim / Fallout formula for explanation and upscaled it to space exploration, whereby your character is basically the ship, it would've been a game for the ages.
As it stands, the space travel is treated as more of an inconvenience between vapid planet sandboxes, and I don't think any amount of bug fixes and additions can fix this fundamental flaw.
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Post by hicksy on Nov 20, 2023 9:24:37 GMT
Given how CDPR turned around CP2077 there's definitely hope!
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Post by ned on Nov 20, 2023 9:44:13 GMT
Skyrim I never played modded and still feel like it’s worth replaying and just wandering around. And there is are still build combinations I’ve not tried out fully.
In Starfield the motivation to explore is not there. Knowing I’ll likely just come across the exact same poi’s I’ve seen before just kills the incentive to go out there and see what you can find, as it pretty good odds you end up wasting your time.
The skills aren’t interesting really and melee is under developed. All you really have is shooting guns. So I don’t even feel the need to level up.
Also it’s just a bit boring and pg-13. And like others have said stuck in 2011 in every aspect other than some graphics upgrades and proc gen tech. But it if had the exploration down i could overlook a lot. But it doesn’t.
I really want it to be great. But it just isn’t. It’s a real shame.
Might check it out again in the future and will be keeping an eye on what they do with it.
They don’t exactly seem to be pumping out updates either thou.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 20, 2023 9:54:10 GMT
Given how CDPR turned around CP2077 there's definitely hope! There's positivity and there's insanity. |
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 20, 2023 10:02:15 GMT
Given how CDPR turned around CP2077 there's definitely hope! It's an interesting parallel certainly. Quite different games though. Cyberpunk is more of a GTA in structure, and most of the problems there were performance, stability and dodgy AI shortcuts breaking the open world illusion. It's cool being in Night City but they're not really attempting that thing of storytelling through scenery and found emails/notepads. You just get a call and go to an icon. It feels less like a real place to me than Bethesda world's despite the more realistic scale. With Starfield, the issue for me at least, is I need more reasons to explore and actually use some of the systems they've built. I need more narrative pull to justify further exploration rather than doing it to further level up systems Im not really needing anyway. I actually think I enjoyed Starfield more than Cyberpunk whilst in the groove. It's just that it petered out prematurely. I've had my money's worth, but it's a disappointment relative to what I hoped it would be. |
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 20, 2023 10:07:19 GMT
There's an awful lot more they could do with lore too. Bare in mind I'm not at the end of the main campaign but it really feels like they've got the basics of a decent backstory and could broaden it. Wouldn't be difficult to have as to unknown other human colonies in other systems. Maybe that's where all the Chinese and Indian people went?
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Nov 20, 2023 10:11:52 GMT
Given how CDPR turned around CP2077 there's definitely hope! With Starfield, the issue for me at least, is I need more reasons to explore and actually use some of the systems they've built. I need more narrative pull to justify further exploration rather than doing it to further level up systems Im not really needing anyway. This is how I felt. I tried all the systems but then thought - why bother? If there was narrative reason or decent quest to do half this stuff, including exploration, I'd be all over it. I gave base building ago in Fallout and Fallout 76 then thought "can't be arsed" and moved on. I have left at least a quarter star systems alone and unexplored cos well - why? Maybe DLC will use those other systems in the future. Who knows? |
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Post by knighty on Nov 20, 2023 10:38:41 GMT
I’m almost at the end of the main quest. Just polishing up some outpost stuff so I can say I’ve tried it at least. Can’t see myself coming back to it after the main quest is complete, so may as well do it now.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 20, 2023 10:45:41 GMT
Yeah I was actually really enjoying it whilst I had a few self defined fairly organic goals I was working towards:
- making my ship my mobile base of operations with plenty of cargo space (+ smuggling space) to carry everything and firepower to boot.
- discover every major city (always a goal in Bethesda games).
- discover every faction quest (always a goal in every Bethesda game).
- get married and have a house.
The first one was great. I spent time leveling up piloting and ship building and upgrading. An interim step was even building a rudimentary base to store my stuff that I couldn't carry. Eventually I got a beast of a ship and my equipment concerns were over.
The second and third ones were a bit too quick and easy. Didn't really discover them so much as just get told to go directly there fairly early on.
The fourth was pointless as buying an apartment and having a wife basically makes no difference. Though I guess it's nice to repeatedly be told how incredibly amazing I am in bed as my wife and I awake fully clothed after our traditional, post landing, 1hr power nap.
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Post by robthehermit on Nov 20, 2023 10:52:31 GMT
Don't forget the extra 5% emotional security experience bonus.
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Post by hedben on Nov 20, 2023 11:07:29 GMT
I was ready to put it on hold after finishing the Crimson Raiders quests, but then I stumbled on a weird quest on a very distant planet in a lv65 system. It’s decent, proper Wild Wasteland vibes, the kind of thing I wish they’d done more of (and I’m hoping they will in future). So now I’m thinking of exploring even further into the vast beyond.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 20, 2023 11:13:15 GMT
Ooh now that's the kind of hook I need. Just a few hints that's there's awesome lore relevant content that needs end game stats to get to would help justify diving back in.
I actually thought No Man's Sky's hook of getting to the centre of the universe was decent as a basic reason to get stronger, even if the payoff wasn't great (at least when I played it about 2yrs post release).
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Nov 20, 2023 12:22:58 GMT
I think having rng loot in places doesn't do it any favours either.
There is a reason to go spelunking in fallout ruins because loot is unique to locations. But landing on generic planet 66 to go through a similar looking outpost and having it generate a bunch of random guns, magazine etc just deleted the reason I want to go exploring in the first place.
Seems I'm going to get my exploration kicks from BG3 instead this year
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Post by hedben on Nov 20, 2023 12:32:46 GMT
I think having rng loot in places doesn't do it any favours either. There is a reason to go spelunking in fallout ruins because loot is unique to locations. But landing on generic planet 66 to go through a similar looking outpost and having it generate a bunch of random guns, magazine etc just deleted the reason I want to go exploring in the first place. Seems I'm going to get my exploration kicks from BG3 instead this year Agree- and even more frustrating because they did include unique loot (ok, unique trait and name but randomised stats), but it’s either a quest reward or just on sale in one of the main hub shops. |
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Post by Blue_Mike on Nov 20, 2023 20:13:13 GMT
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Post by zagibu on Nov 20, 2023 20:31:42 GMT
A 2 GB patch full of...fixes?
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Nov 20, 2023 22:45:08 GMT
Not on Gamepass PC it's not. 14.6 gigglebytes!!
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Post by askew on Nov 20, 2023 23:01:50 GMT
Heh. Steam downloads are heavily compressed
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Nov 20, 2023 23:32:39 GMT
Aaaand something funky happened with mine. Game is still on HDD with GP, and because it wouldn't launch without the update, I stopped and cleared the update to jump on DayZ and not have the lag.
Except now it thinks I no longer have it installed on the game menu, despite the HDD showing the used space, and the game card wants me to download the whole thing again, probably because of differing version numbers.
It's more an Xbox thing than a Starfield thing, but now I've no idea if my saves are intact or not, and what a ballache GP can be. Grrr.
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