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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 16, 2022 8:25:54 GMT
To my shame, I forgot A Link to the Past
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Post by deekyfun on Aug 16, 2022 8:42:23 GMT
This is the only right way. BG1 + Siege of Dragonspear, BG2 + ToB. Look up and wonder where half the year went. That would just be way too much for me. I did play through Shadows of Amn four times and tried ToB three times, but only ever finished the latter once.
And I bounced off of BG1 back when I tried it. I have been thinking about giving that one another try soon.
I'm going to recant my original sentence I think :-) Instead, it should probably be 'is one of a multitude of ways to play, all of which are equally valid'. It's an interesting issue. Each game is pretty big, and the expansions aren't exactly small either. I feel almost like the value proposition is only really at it's most maximised once you reach the summit of the mountain (which, I realise, is a little like the old 'but it gets really good after 30 hours' argument). But it really is something to take a character from basically nobody to the place where they are at the end of this particular series of games. I don't think BG1 is as good a game as BG2; not by a long shot. But as a piece of this overarching story, it's pretty vital for me to generate the kind of feeling that I feel this series can provide, and few other series can. It affords the time and space to allow your character to feel aged and storied in a more genuine sense. Thats why I don't have an issue with Dragonspear so much; it's not just the length, it represents more narrative opportunity space for my character, in this cool engine to keep building layers. But yeah, I freely concede it's quite the ask! It might be one of those try this out once things, if time and desire allows. Though yeah, if you had to pick just one, it would be BG2 for me. |
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Post by zephro on Aug 16, 2022 9:12:42 GMT
You could take a breather in between each game, like month on, month off kinda deal.
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Post by rawshark on Aug 16, 2022 9:56:48 GMT
off the top of my head, I threw together a top 10 while I was not sleeping last night. No real order.
Breath of the Wild
Elden Ring
The Witcher 3
Mario Odyssey
Shadow of the Colossus
The Last of Us
Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed
Half Life 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Pokemon Go
Just missing out are Resident Evil 4, Bioshock and Devil May Cry 3.
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Post by zephro on Aug 16, 2022 10:05:06 GMT
Oh I forgot Bayonetta. Love that game.
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Post by rhaegyr on Aug 16, 2022 10:13:26 GMT
Hate myself for leaving Phantasy Star Online off my list.
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Post by kilters on Aug 16, 2022 12:07:27 GMT
My top ten since 1992!
Sensible Soccer/Cannon Fodder. Endless hours back in the day. Quick mention to a demo sensible software released where it mixed SS with Canon fodder and the ball was a grenade that randomly went off. Fantastic.
Syndicate. Felt very grown up playing this
FF7 on PSX. Was an incredible broadening of horizons at the time.
Tekken 2: Superb 2 player fun. Would occasionally get a weird stereoscopic/3D effect when playing this. Best intro of all time.
Half Life: Not much to add. AI was brilliant.
Halo CE. Hefted the Xbox back from the shop for miles. First game I played on it. Wasn't disappointed. 8 player system link has yet to be bettered in terms of a multiplayer experience. Single player still holds up today.
Subnautica: Incredible game. It's not perfect and resource gathering can be a pain but the atmosphere and tension have yet to be bettered. The vehicles and base building are very rewarding.
XCOM2: Especially with The Chosen expansion. Hundreds of hours spent.
Destiny 1 and 2. Adifficult one to put on the list. By far the most time spent on this franchise. Fantastic gunplay. Gone off it though as the its more high fantasy than Sci-fi now and the grind systems have become so non sensical. Drop it for a couple of months and its very hard to get back into.
The Last of Us. Peerless in its execution. 2 was also excellent.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 16, 2022 12:35:51 GMT
How much of a chore is Subnautica? Are there time limits and stuff?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 12:37:41 GMT
Turn off the need to eat and drink and it's amazing and still carries threat.
It's an incredible experience.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 16, 2022 12:40:34 GMT
Series X optimised too. First or second game?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 12:43:08 GMT
First and then think of the 2nd as a really good bit of dlc.
The first dive you take into the sea is one of my all time favourite gaming moments. Make sure you wear headphones while playing too, the sound is amazing.
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Post by cptjohnnycasino on Aug 16, 2022 13:53:14 GMT
Some of these are nostalgia picks, some because they were intros to genres that blew me away, or that as a "grown up" I can appreciate them fully:
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The Last of Us 2
Very close 2nd:
The Witcher 3
The rest in no order:
Final Fantasy 7
GTA Vice City
Breath of Fire 3
God of War (2018)
Streets of Rage
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Elder Scrolls - Oblivion
Borderlands 2
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Aug 16, 2022 15:05:58 GMT
How much of a chore is Subnautica? Are there time limits and stuff? Depends on settings as has been said, but even if you go with the normal mode with hunger and everything, it's not too bad.
You need a lot of Titanium and so on if you want to do more than the minimum base building, so that can be annoying. Same for when you lose an upgraded vehicle and have to replace it. Food could be a bit annoying, but you can eventually take care of that.
Overall it was very much worth it for me. It's a really great, atmospheric exploration game.
Yeah, I figured that most people would simply pause before continuing with the next part of these kinds of big BGT-playthroughs. Perfectly reasonable, but back in the day I always treated SoA and ToB as one game basically. I don't think I really paused before continuing with ToB.
I got stuck at Draconis during the first attempt and then realized that I had no Wizard with more than 17 Int and that I was missing a lot of powerful spells as a result, so I quit partially because I was lacking solutions for that fight. Or at least I thought so at the time. So I just replayed the game as a Wizard and that's still easily my most complete playthrough of SoA+ToB. It was only really my fourth playthrough with a Cavalier that I stopped at some point in ToB because I didn't have enough interest in it anymore.
I don't think BG1 is as good a game as BG2; not by a long shot. But as a piece of this overarching story, it's pretty vital for me to generate the kind of feeling that I feel this series can provide, and few other series can. It affords the time and space to allow your character to feel aged and storied in a more genuine sense.
I understand completely. That's definitely one of the reasons why I enjoyed BG2 as much as I did. ToB may not be as good as SoA, but I was always quite appreciative and just thankful that we didn't have to wait for some kind of BG3 that might never have materialized. What I'm trying to say is, that while SoA in and of itself is a long and rewarding journey, it's really ToB where much of this rewarding feeling of that overarching, epic adventure comes from for me.
Without having played it (well, beyond the first 10 hours or so) it's impossible for me to say how BG1 fits into the series for me. Especially since I played BG2 first and I can't exactly go back and re-experience the whole series from the beginning.
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Post by rhaegyr on Aug 16, 2022 15:14:50 GMT
Good to see Sonic 2 getting the most (only?) mentions from the Mega Drive Sonic games. Definitely the best of the lot.
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Post by dangerousdave on Aug 16, 2022 18:46:15 GMT
2 > 1 > Mania > Knuckles > 3
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 19:01:53 GMT
I really liked Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast. Think you could collect animals to use on that memory card thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 19:04:55 GMT
I liked the first SA, but hated 2. So odd to me that the younger generation of Sonic fans champion 2 when its predecessor did everything better.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 16, 2022 19:26:49 GMT
Sonic fans are a bit weird though. Probably due to years of abuse from Sega making them funny
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Post by kilters on Aug 16, 2022 19:31:50 GMT
How much of a chore is Subnautica? Are there time limits and stuff? Building a scanner room on your base is a chore saver as it will show you all types of resources around you. The compass is worth building too. I'd love to be approaching this game for the first time again! |
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Post by Nanocrystal on Aug 16, 2022 23:27:29 GMT
Twice I've tried to get into Subnautica but the performance was woeful (PS4), and I have a pretty high tolerance for that kind of thing. Was really annoyed that the devs moved on to the sequel so quickly when the first game still had so many issues. From what I played I really liked it, but constant hard crashes and even save file corruptions resulting in hours of play time lost... fuck that.
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Post by kilters on Aug 16, 2022 23:42:14 GMT
Twice I've tried to get into Subnautica but the performance was woeful (PS4), and I have a pretty high tolerance for that kind of thing. Was really annoyed that the devs moved on to the sequel so quickly when the first game still had so many issues. From what I played I really liked it, but constant hard crashes and even save file corruptions resulting in hours of play time lost... fuck that. It was pretty buggy up until about a year ago but it's in much better shape now. I've completed on PC and Series X with no major issues since then. They have said they are back porting alot of the QOL improvements from the sequel but no date set. |
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Aug 17, 2022 5:47:48 GMT
Twice I've tried to get into Subnautica but the performance was woeful (PS4), and I have a pretty high tolerance for that kind of thing. Was really annoyed that the devs moved on to the sequel so quickly when the first game still had so many issues. From what I played I really liked it, but constant hard crashes and even save file corruptions resulting in hours of play time lost... fuck that. Dont't know about PS4, but I didn't have many issues with it on PC two years ago. Mostly just quite a lot of heavy pop-in in some cases, but that's about it. |
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Post by pierrepressure on Aug 17, 2022 7:12:51 GMT
FF7 Original, I like remake but I feel something was lost when JRPG'S started using VO. The characters didn't sound like THAT in my head.
TLOU2, improves on the first in every way, it was a gruelling and emotional journey. The gaming equivalent of Stephen King's The Stand.
Hades, absolutely brilliant and brutal in equal measure. Loved the setting and one of only a few games that encouraged me to dive into a book to learn more about its lore.
SSX, good launch games on the PS2 were slim but this was superb, the music was ace, the way it went quiet when you were in the air and came back in felt so cool at the time. The courses were really interesting too. Would love a modern remake that kept the silliness.
GTA3, I know the sequels were better but I seem to have fonder memories of this one, I certainly remember spending more time around the city just causing mayhem than the others.
Goldeneye, the perfect movie tie-in. I loved the different mission objectives on higher difficulties, why don't they do this anymore? Hoping the remake will see an official launch, I won't go back and play the N64 version now as I'm sure it plays terribly.
Zelda: OoT, incredible experience, Nintendo at the top of its game here.
Bioshock, never played System Shock which I hear this took quite heavily from but on console it felt rare that a shooter had much to say about anything. This was different, despite an iffy ending.
Soul Caliber, not usually one for fighting games but when this came out on the dreamcast with some of the best graphics for the time, I was hooked.
PES, one of the PS2 era games, I forget which one but I spent so much time playing it. I'm sure I lost a couple of girlfriends as I was too busy playing this instead of taking them out. They perfected the formula for PES during this time IMO.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Aug 17, 2022 7:25:06 GMT
FF7 Original, I like remake but I feel something was lost when JRPG'S started using VO. The characters didn't sound like THAT in my head. I totally agree with this. Well, haven't played Remake yet tbh and doubt I will, but the character voices in Advent Children was one of the issues I had with it. In general, I still find old RPGs can be more engaging than newer games. Or at least engaging in a different way, as they spark my imagination. Needing to imagine the voices. Or because the animation could be limited, just stock animations, would need to use imagination to fill the gaps with the actions. Because every minute detail can be shown explicitly these days there's no gap for the imagination to fill. That's not too say new RPGs can't be good, but it's a different experience. Anyway. Greatest games: Final Fantasy 7 (og of course) Skyrim Inside Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Streets of Rage 2 Shadow of the the Colossus Assassin's Creed Brotherhood There's a few other games I'm considering but might be too new, need to see how I feel in a few years. |
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Post by torb on Aug 17, 2022 10:35:53 GMT
I'll put mine in the order I played them, Day of The Tentacle - Formative stuff, whole family played it together, dad ordered the paper guide when we got really stuck. Also loved Full Throttle and later Grim Fandango, and I've replayed all of them. Still good, but can't really separate myself from the nostalgia, nor do I want to  Spacechem - Fuckin hell, so freaking good, and made me purchase all Zachtronic games day one, a lot of them are great, but this was the one that got me started. It's a logic/programming thingy, where you "make" molecules. The histograms to show you where you are compared to the world is a very nifty solution compared to normal leaderboards, and made me re-do a ton of levels. Never got through the end game, but a brilliant time.
Slay the Spire - I beat the addiction now, somehow, I think because I see SO MANY deckbuilder roguelikes now, I get tired just seeing them. This was the one for me, infinitely playable, I almost got all the way through the ascensions, 2-300hrs played, luckily I stopped playing compulsively before this hit mobile phones! Outer Wilds - I thought I'd be more intimidated by the "huge" clockwork world, but damn if I just didn't enjoy this a whole bunch. It's extremely impressive what they built, but it's also fun to explore. My first time encountering what someone coined as a "knowledge"-vania or something. You don't unlock any skills, you just learn new shit, and thus anyone can finish the game in 15 minutes after learning all the game has to tell you.
Dark Souls - holy shit. Made me love video games again. Stayed away for the longest time because ITS SO HARD and I hate doing things over and over. After finally clicking with another hard game, Spelunky, (also kind of a knowledge-vania?) and beating that, I got the courage to buy DS1 Remastered on a sale. It's all been said, but after beating DS1 I played and finished BB, DS2, DeS, DS3, Elden Ring and finally Sekiro. Turns out I have some tolerance for doing shit again and again and again (HI ISSHIN!) - Also I never finished Dark Souls 2, that game was so hard. At least two of those games would also make my list. No, three? Just make the rest FROM games. |
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Post by dangerousdave on Aug 18, 2022 9:33:47 GMT
I was going to publish my list, but I've just realised that 4 of my all-time favourites are Wii U/Switch games. I didn't expect that, so I'm gonna retreat and have another think about it.
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Post by addyb on Aug 18, 2022 9:45:08 GMT
Target Renegade
Super Mario Bros 3
Streets of Rage 2
Championship manager
Player manager
Swos
Metal gear solid
MGS3
Super Mario galaxy
Dark souls
Bloodborne
Resi Evil series
The binding of isaac
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Post by clemfandango on Aug 18, 2022 10:06:48 GMT
I can't believe I'm the only person who has put Symphony of the Night.
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Post by dfunked on Aug 18, 2022 10:11:45 GMT
Good shout. My initial list is a bit barebones to say the least.
Missed some glaringly obvious ones like SotN and Quake
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Post by rhaegyr on Aug 18, 2022 10:12:08 GMT
I can't believe I'm the only person who has put Symphony of the Night. Honestly - I think it's been eclipsed by the sheer amount/quality of Metroidvania's in recent years. I played SOTN for the first time a few months ago and thought it was a great game and it's held up really well for a 20+ year old game. However, I don't have any nostalgia for the game so I'd put something like Hollow Knight above it. If I'm being really honest with myself I also thought Dawn of Sorrow was the better Castlevania. Sacrilege I know! |
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